by "I like closer" I mean, I like closer more than..that other stuff.

I don't know, it just seems like songs like discipline and closer have... understandable lyrics, mildly catchy chorus, etc. Also: most of the time while the song is playing... people are speaking.

I think that is my biggest hang up with this group. I feel as if there are huge pauses of lyrics within the song. I am okay with that in a rock song where they throw in a sick guitar solo but instead its just like..a heart beat, or a machine gear cranking around, or something odd and abstract.

I am down for an anti-mainstream band, that's why I like old P!atD rather than their new mainstream stuff but this is a little much.