Originally Posted by
mwah
yea, how does that not make sense? again context is interpreted and the moderator makes the decision on the punishment. more times than not, however, it results in a ban.
no one is saying blacklist the word
I'm not saying blacklist the word
read my posts aaaa
Its not banned but using it results in a ban. - this is contradictory,
the word is being banned (& blacklisted same thing)
In a similar vein, you are saying the word cannot be used - therefore you are indeed saying to blacklist the word.
Originally Posted by mwah
because the discussion arose in response to Pimp's ban. and that's why it has been centered around nigger and not the slang.
it's not though. more times than not you will not be straight up banned for saying nigga.
Pimps ban sparked a larger diacussion about an ongoing issue that has existed for a long time. It is by no means the only instance. Other bans are relevant too, we are discussing rule changes, of course all related bans are relevant.
It really is treated the same way though, otherwise there would not be so many ban appeals complaining about the fact that "nigga isnt racist" when they still got banned
Originally Posted by mwah
quote me where I said I want the word to be blacklisted or banned. I haven't said that.
Originally Posted by mwah
yeah doesn't matter if it isn't aggressive. it's just classified as inappropriate language, which warrants a 1 point infraction.
Here you clearly say the word cannot and should not be able to be used in a public setting whatsoever
this is blacklisting the word not specifically using the key term "blacklisting" doesnt mean that you are not blacklisting the word.
another example is just below
Originally Posted by mwah
yeah, if we're involving context, which we are it is not always used to be racist. but it's still a racial slur. and they still aren't okay to say in general. I'm just giving the word less power by saying not everyone who says it is a racist. because they aren't, probably.
but that's not the target of this thread.
I disagree, you are giving the word more power by blacklisting it and giving it more attention than any other word, but youre right. The effect of our actions on the power of the word is not ghe topic of discussion.
Originally Posted by mwah
I'll take a quote from ele when he got insulted on IRC by me. "I can take it, but I shouldn't have to". I shouldn't have to go into a public server and see anyone spouting shit about nigger this and nigger that.
yeah, because it's still not an okay thing to say. how do you not get this. it's not okay to say nigger in a public place. this is how life works. I've been saying again and again, say it with your friends, say it in a private server. just don't say it where some may take it the wrong way and report you because you are liable to get a punishment in that case.
I agree, but in this case nigger is no different to any other word, I shouldnt have to join a room and have to endure anyone spouting shit any words at all, the fact that the word is nigger does not change this. Saying "its not ok because thats how life works" isnt really an argument, in some contexts it is fine to say it.
Besides if you get offended by the word you can get the ignore script at ignore people who use it. Why should their freedom of speech be undermined by another users freedom to be offended by nothing more than a word used in a non-aggressive way?
again, my thoughts stays the same: why should I have to tolerate seeing you making nigger jokes in a server if it's a derogatory word that I don't feel comfortable viewing while I'm trying to play a game?
to clarify, my argument is to continue to have punishments for people saying nigger in public areas. ie: the forums and public servers but rather than label the ban or infraction to racism, depending on the context label it inappropriate language or insulting other members since it's collectively agreed that just saying the word doesn't make you racist. I don't want anyone to feel as though they can't joke around or say what they want ('cause you can) but you have to realize that there are consequences to what you say, so if you are going to make a joke using this offensive trigger word, than do it with your buddies in a private server. don't object everyone else to having to see it and feeling uncomfortable.
what's wrong with that?
See above.
Freedom of speech should not be undermined by freedom to be offended, when no aggression is present.
Or you could get an ignore script and not have to see it anyway.