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Abolishing excessive clan bureaucracy
If almost half (13 in 30) of the official clans in the game have a "De-Officialization" or "Activity warning" thread sticking out, don't you think this is completely unnecessary? You can't be fiending for those kilobytes that badly. This is only killing the members who come back every once in a while to reconnect with the old friends he made a couple of years ago.
hi everyone.

i'm here to let you all know that CS has been eyeing this thread. we are currently discussing all sorts of ideas towards a solution/compromise. as for now, feel free to suggest any of your crazy ideas about how you think checks should work. send your ideas to me or any of the other CS members, we're listening.
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Originally Posted by Fade View Post
hi everyone.

i'm here to let you all know that CS has been eyeing this thread. we are currently discussing all sorts of ideas towards a solution/compromise. as for now, feel free to suggest any of your crazy ideas about how you think checks should work. send your ideas to me or any of the other CS members, we're listening.

I think they should just not exist in such a small community. You're hunting a species that's going extinct. But if you insist on making rules for everything at least make the checks absurdly easy to pass and less frequent — this way the clans that wish to keep their official status will consistently keep it, and the clans that are legitimately dead will die.



Don't overthink it though, this is unnecessary. Before asking yourself the most efficient way to go about this, ask why you're doing this in the first place.
Automating the check is good.
But could you change the system a bit to the point where a clan could stay alive just by being forum active. To my current understanding, no matter how much you post / play ingame the point you will get just the maximum point of those area, why not make it if it is already on the maximum point it still could increase but not as easy as before it reach that maximum area?
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I have been sitting at my desk for an hour to figure out how to say what has been on my mind.

On the topic of "Purging" and "De-Officialization" lies a question on my own mind, "Why the hell do we even need to do this? Threatening to remove something is so counteractive that it just ruins gaming experience." Wouldn't it make more sense for there to be options instead of just the shiny red DELETE button?

Then this came to mind and was mentioned in a post prior to this: Have a clan retire from the community. Retire means
to leave your job or stop working because of having reached a particular age or because of ill health, or to cause someone or something to stop being employed or used.

What jobs have the clans done to even deserve to retire? Do the Clan Squad even want to deal with the hassle of coming up with requirements to retire, and if so, is this not a better option than receiving Legendary Status? When you get Legendary, you are allowed one thread to talk, still facing death, but you keep the brackets instead of parentheses.

But wait, you guys want an option to keep the entire forum, keep the brackets, AND not deal with Activity Checks? Wow, unfair.

Legendary status outranks "Retiring" any day of the week. I'd rather be in a Hall of Fame somewhere, knowing my legacy has impacted the lives of many. and be dead, instead of retiring.

If I missed it, I apologize, but I have YET to see someone who received legendary status (Clan Only) complain about only having a thread and being listed as dead.

You are given the option to revive the clan, get official back, and get the forums back. Its only away forever if you are lazy enough or do not have time to do it, and if that is the case, why do you even bother complaining. One thread is easy enough to message each other if for some reason the forums are your ONLY form of communication.

There are clans that are official and deserve to keep it. Adventure, Obey, Liquor, Undead, TANG, etc. They are active on both forums and in-game and show little to no signs of stopping. If you are not like these clans, why do you even have a right to complain?

This is only my opinion. I do not feel like responding to anything else, only stating what currently is on my mind.

Tl,Dr: Good luck.
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Onto my other topic:

Clan Checks should be done for every clan, not just official. Equal rights to all, right?
Last edited by Frost; Jan 5, 2019 at 11:07 PM.
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Originally Posted by Frost View Post
Clan Checks should be done for every clan, not just official. Equal rights to all, right?

so after completely ruining years of history from an official clan, you're gonna make them work again?
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I think, if it is so bad, no activity checks at all could be better for a while, until something better is agreed upon.
Ele and others are suggesting very reasonable things.

I agree that there should be rewards for activity, not penalties for inactivity.

Activity checks shouldn't be automated.
If there are activity checks, then why automate them? Automation is only good when there are many things that can't be looked at individually. And there aren't that many clans.
Originally Posted by HAWK152 View Post
It really isn't that hard to meet the requirements of these checks, and the clan gets three warnings before they lose their official status. I really don't think it's unreasonable to expect the official clans, that are supposed to represent the community, to actually play the game once in a while and use the forums they are given.

If more than half of your members don't even play 5 games a month, and you don't even use your forums, I don't know why you should feel entitled to keep them when there are some much more active unofficial clans out there. If a clan is that inactive, why do they even care about staying official?

Even if the clan somehow fails 3 activity checks in a row, it isn't deleted, they just lose access to their clan board unless they reapply for official status. I really don't see how this is the big issue people are making it out to be.


It's not about being hard to pass these activity checks, it's about being obnoxious and disrespectful. I'm not going to write a huge text (later note: I think I did tho) with different points and arguments, but I wanted you to know that, as part of a clan that has been passing these checks with "ease" by playing a few games per month even though we never were an in-game active clan, I think this new feature is making everyone feel uncomfortable and irritated, wishing to play the game less and less. Our clan is getting smaller and our activity is getting more meaningless everyday, no one feels like playing or posting anymore because it has turned to be an obligation and not a hobby, but guess what? According to the new activity check system we've never been so active! Isn't this an amazing? What a feat! And I'm not saying this because I don't want to play the game, in fact I might one of the most in-game active in my clan, but I'm watching how we remove members for the sake of being alive and how my clanmates are being forced to play so they wont be kicked as well (? excuse me what the fuck) and that really breaks my heart.

If you really want valid arguments, you should read the whole thread from when this system was implemented, that if those arguments weren't re-used in this thread (I didn't read this one here yet tbh).

sorry if I'm too late here but I felt like replying this post
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just confirmed I really am too late, but I'll let my post there because I'm proud I wrote something.
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What is the incentive for these checks being in place, anyway? Right now there's only, what, 1 or 2 boards that are totally dead... so what's the point in de-officialising clans, thereby removing their board? I don't see the harm of the boards being there and the clans staying official. If the game were actually alive, I'd see the importance, but in its current state - dead, or getting there - I just don't understand.

What are the disadvantages of completely removing checks for a while?
I think the best course of action is to remove the checks until Toribash Next releases, and hope that that brings the old players back. You can then start doing the checks again, and, if some clans remain inactive, it will be clear that those clans aren't really interested in the game, so I don't see a problem with removing their official status.
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So I'm CS lead as of about an hour ago.
Gonna be taking a serious look at some community suggestions, and opening a dialogue with regards to certain issues in particular.
I'm going to be taking a little bit of time to read up on everything and really get to grips with the issue (don't wanna be doing random shit without properly knowing what I'm doing) before taking action but ultimately I'm hoping to find a solution that everyone is happy with, because I agree with a lot of points you are making.
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