Originally Posted by Lionet

well, once your clan selected "SP Clan" option you are pretty much forced to stick to SP if I got your idea right. Same as if your clan pick "MP Clan" option, because if your clan happens to slow down mp activity but rather started posting some replays for some odd reason, they won't be counted and vice-versa.

Originally Posted by Lionet

If clans needed to specify their "specialized area of activity", that means there would be a system checking SP clans and another system checking MP clans, forcing each type of clan playing only one of those in order to pass the checks.

Originally Posted by Lionet

If a clan could pick being both SP and MP, then it's all cool but why splitting SP and MP when you have a system which already considers both in one?

so with these changes in the system, if i were to reapply jolly for official,what would be our chances?

our problem is the big inactive roster of members that
we dont want to kick,can now x small number of active
players take the burden of their x inactive brothers?


also an idea for sp clans, is it possible to make online
servers but with uke as opponent, that way you could monitor them just as mp clans with games played
(got the idea from single player games that require online connection)

Yes, the problem it's indicative of is a shitty automated system... Christ.

So what does this mean? Are you going to consider Discord or no? You don't want it formalised, but you want to be aware of it? What does this actually mean for clans with discords?

Dude, fuck you. Unnecessary shade, especially when all I'm doing here is helping out. If you don't want me posting, or you're not going to take what I say seriously, just tell me not to post here.

I expected better from you, Mr. 'Community Cultivation'.

I’ve been detached from the community for a bit, so I don’t want to give criticism, without knowing the whole situation.

What i want to suggest is that the activity points be reset after every check, hard resetting the scores to 0 after an activity check, in this case 2 months (the ones that leaders use i mean) because it’s pretty annoying to look at the activity and ponder if the activity that people have is just last months activity that they got at the end of the month. And maybe have a “Activity Hostory” (saves the activity of the last x checks) that way leaders can judge there members.

As for the sp activity, idk if i’m speaking sci fi scenario here, but it would be cool if the game had a tracking system that would track the joints clicked, frames skipped, time spent on a replay then somehow converting that to activity points (but quite small for just those), then if they upload it they get a multiplier that would boost the score (idk how replays are managed but if joke replays get removed by staff, it doesn’t sound too bad), also somehow give more points if you get cnc from respected replay makers/respected players. Just wild ideas that might seem fun to think about.

regarding inactivity ranks, I think there is no harm on adding them. Some clans have members that just wont come back and even if they do, they're less likely to play the game often again. I just can't tell to what extend this feature should be "easily handled" by the clan, when someone is going inactive for a while they can just put them as inactive until this person come back, and this runs far away from the "members we don't want to kick" speech. That said, I prefer not having inactivity ranks for the time being

Originally Posted by Erth

The more I read on it the more I'm torn on the issue, and I hope you see my dilema.
On the one hand, if a clan has over 50% of its members totally dead, that clan clearly can't be considered as active as a clan like evo, whereby a lot of their older members still play and get involved. I don't think anyone is arguing that.
On the other hand, I totally understand the sentiment of not wanting to kick oldies from the clan, which ultimately leads to a clan filling up with people who have gone inactive.
There is a long term issue there, but I don't know as a straight up inactive rank that excludes them from checks is the way forward.
I'll reignite some discussions on it, and see what happens. No promises obviously but I can at least get it talked about some more for you guys.

To clarify, the activity points are only penalised if over 50% of the clan is inactive.

Originally Posted by Mafia

I don't think anyone would have a problem with de-officialization if it didn't mean they will lose their history (threads/posts) and have to start over.

e.g Official clan becomes inactive for a while, Gets de-officialized, stays inactive for months, then when they become active again, they would apply for official again, get official again and get their old board back. which means they will have their old posts/threads there still, and continue as if nothing happened.


And if they don't become active again after they are de-officialized, then they will be treated like any other unofficial clan till they are a dead clan
then their official boards can be deleted if it has to be.

Originally Posted by Insanity

he whole thread and it all sounds good.


As i see the only problem now is sp clans.
But you do get 25 points only from forum activity so the clan passes. So al they want to do if they want to have a clan is to post replays in clan board and they are good to go. Don;t even see why this is a problem. If they want more they should play the game like the rest of us plebs.




I find the clan room perk very nice and i have a few ideas about it.
I think it should cost a lot of perk at the begining but after you should only pay a moderate fee every 6 months.
To get people to actually play in the rooms is trickier. I would like to think of this room as customisable. So beside gettting the room you can also get other perks for it.
- Like a big wall far away with clan logo (3d item) that only apears in that room
- welcome messages for clan members like on discord when you join a room. For example : insanity joins room, /cp text says All hail Insanity! (maybe the perk comes with 3 options to edit and text is randomly shown)
- colored clan tag text in room
Maybe more, can;t think of any more atm.

Originally Posted by Immotay

I like a lot Insanity's idea to have a static 3d item in the clan server, custom name or OP color, if that ever comes to the game. I feel like the current system requires too much ingame activity but the perks are all forum related so there's no ingame rewards for the effort you make.


Also, another suggestion for a perk would be to have an item similar to the head avatar that displays under your score ingame, but it'd have your clan logo instead.

Maybe it could come with a small discount (10 or 15%) when bought in a bundle together with the clan logo for forum posts, or have that discount to apply as if you own one, the other is a little bit cheaper and vice-versa.

Originally Posted by sirkill1

This is stupid, and I think a large number of official clans is and was fine.

Originally Posted by sirkill1

I joined this game 10 years ago and the community was much more active then. There were no obstructive checks like this, and the point system makes no sense. I haven't had the game installed in a number of years but I like the people I talk to in forum and don't think you have the game installed either Erth.

I'm hoping to improve clans to the point where I want to leave a dead clan in order to join an active one to participate in the new features. That's how I'm going about this, if that helps.

You have legendary status on your clan so you don't have to give a shit about whether your clan is active or not because your board will be there regardless. A large majority of players feel the same way about their clan that you do. Which is to say that their clan is very inactive but they feel connected to it, and would like to occasionally talk to the old members.

If the point is to have more active clans, this isn't the way to do it.

Long story short, old players, 4+ years are your userbase and they pretty much will never meet these criteria because a majority do not have the game installed. New players won't enjoy it because they feel pressured to keep playing and it will start to feel like a chore rather than something to enjoy.

Please reconsider this new nonsensical point system thing and go back to the way it was in 2010.

Originally Posted by Azraeel

I have a lot of problems with activity in-game, like im on everyday on discord etc. But like not Toribash. This is why i quit playing sometimes. I feel like the community's voice is not heard. Toribash is a game about the community yet you dont listen to us and even when you do you disagree with us stating some silly reason. My clan is dead too TBN. Now i believe we need a new overhauled clan system. I do not support forced activity ingame or do i support silly fucking rewards on forums for lame ass perks. We want real rewards. Im a clan leader and i know how hard it was to lead a clan give us a real reward....

Originally Posted by Note

I think sirkill is on to something, even if his post may not be the most eloquent way of putting it. The vast majority of the player base for Toribash in-game is new (or newer) players, and the forums are generally frequented by older players who either enjoy talking with friends they've made over their years here or enjoy pursuing a hobby (such as marketing, texturing, etc).

That's the kicker. I think most players who frequent the clans that would be put on the chopping block don't particularly care for the game itself, but the community created from that game is a lot more important. Slaughtering an old clan won't bring any more activity, and I'd predict that it will actually cause less activity. The fact is that it isn't 2008 anymore and forums are slow and relatively cumbersome, especially when there are mods telling people what they can and can't post within their own clan boards.

Shit, IRC used to always be the way to communicate without getting constantly infracted. I'll admit myself that I have my fair share of expired infractions from useless posting on clan boards, but the way I see it any posting on a private board is better than a group of dead players zombie posting some fake enthusiasm so that their board doesn't get taken down. On the public boards, sure, no shitposting and the like. On a clan board I find that there needs to be more autonomy for a clan to be what the members wish it to be; if a group of sp players seek to create a clan where all they talk about is hot women and their favorite replays, I don't see any issue with it.

Bottom line is that making new rules, or revamping old ones, won't get anybody more engaged with the game. Having moderators combing through logs and assigning points to clans, both old and new, won't make anyone have a good time. I remember a time when the purpose of a clan board was to socialize and make friendships, not reach a certain amount of posts so the clan could have a shiny new banner on the clan page. We need less moderation, not more.