Toribash
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bad expirience with religion
so, here is the reason why i made this:
i live in a muslim country (algeria) and was raised a muslim,
after doing alot of research i decided that i'm becoming a free thinker (deist) and haven't told anyone for a while,
recently i tried to tell some of my friends and showed them my reasons,
their reaction was literally regecting scientifical facts and saying all my information is from fake articles and the real articles say the same things quran says (they believe flies have deseases on one wing and it's medicine on the other, just so you know the amount of stupidity i'm dealing with).
so, after a long ass debate and them not being able to say anything relevant they decided to threaten me by telling my religious af parents which is probably going to result in me getting kicked out of the house.
they refused to respect my point of view and even started to dislike me as a person

now, as i see it this way of thinking is engraved into them because of the religion they are following, they say the stupidest things and claim they are facts just because they are written in some book they were told is the word of god, i also kind of see some supremacist manners and way of talking when they talk to me and tbh they are making me hate religion more and more.

i wonder if anyone know a good way to make close minded people listen to reason and proof. i would really appreciate it, maybe post a bad expirience you had with religion aswell.
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
well, i did try to make questions at first but they will say the same thing: "if its written in the quran it must be right"
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
welp, its too late this time, i'm literally going to debate an imam tomorrow, gotta get myself ready to hear alot of lies.
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
ok, tbh i pretty much thought the same things but its just sickening to me to see how everyone here would accept it if we had sharia law and started killing apostates and gays, supress women's rights even more, cut people's hands for stealing, insulting other people's beliefs...ect i can't stand it anymore.
a good example would be when feminists went protesting for their rights in a protest to change the government.
imo the rational thing to do is explaining the goal of our protests and that its not a good time to be asking for their rights and they can always do it after all this is done,
well, do you know what people did? they sprayed them with fucking bleach and several were hospitalised with permanent marks. they were also called whores who are enemies for religion just because they want equal rights to men that neither the religion nor the law give (even tho our laws are not nearly as bad as middle eastern laws).

people here will also outright deny anything about their religion that they do not agree with even if its literally in the fucking quran (sex slaves for example).

anyway my "friends" who say they want good for me basicly forced me to have this debate with the imam because they "do not have enough knowledge".
i'm just planning to ask some questions about things that are proven millions of times wrong, if he try to twist the meaning i'll call him out on it and the debate contnue and if he strongly stated that his explanation is right without a valid proof or just claimed that they are right and science is wong or claimed that science say the same and my resources are lies the conversation simply end there.
Last edited by Alpha; May 3, 2019 at 01:38 AM.
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
well the consequences of my parents knowing are becoming homeless at best and being taken into a mental hospital at worse, yes this acually happened to someone before.
i'm nervous that the imam himself will ask for me to be taken to a mental hospital or going thru rokya which is absolute bullshit imo (specially if you watch rokya shows, they are hilarious tbh).
i think the best option here is to not go through this crappy trip untill i'm atleast independent and just bear with the "you know you are wrong but wont admit it" bullshit which is kind ironic since i always admit it when proven wrong.
and that remind me: man, these imams and religion doctors are amazing at spitting noncence and making it convincing (unless you check resources ofc).
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
well, i just wanted them respect my point of view but since they started insulting me and calling me ignorant(edit: and having no personality) i called them out on their beliefs, basicly out of frustration.
i do not think they are dumb but rather close-minded people who are insulting their intellegence.
and thanks for the little conversation, it helped me calm down and reconsider my decisions.

now, back to being the weird person that i am.
Last edited by Alpha; May 3, 2019 at 02:58 AM.
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
From what i read, is that you're trying to convince people that their religion is wrong and they should stick to deism?

So, what exact reason or proof do you have to convince them?
well, i guess it ended up that way, idc if they want to believe it or not as long as they stop thinking they are superior for thinking they have the right religion and start asking questions themselfs.
about the proof, well yes, alot and alot of proofs and they are mainly scientifically incorrect verses,contradictions and immorality. oh and the fact that literally no one in the whole world saw the moon split in two at the time.
Aadame:I'm very signaturable
It's just no one usues my shit .
Stay quiet and wait until you're old to leave. There's no reason to raise a stink right now and possibly suffer bad consequences.

Stay silent until you're out from their control. Tell the imam you were mistaken, but understand now.