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In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.
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Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.

overall this makes sense, I still have to think a bit more about it though. But:

Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
[...]the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.

Doesn't rehabilitation/treatment of inmates makes them more likely to go back live a functional life, lowering the chance of recidivism? It can be beneficial in the long run.
Another point is that most criminals aren't afraid of consequences. They don't believe they will get caught.

Also, according to this:
According to the National Academy of Sciences, "Research on the deterrent effect of capital punishment is uninformative about whether capital punishment increases, decreases, or has no effect on homicide rates."

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Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.

That's a really good point, but killing a really tiny percentage on the death row will not make US citizens pay significantly less.
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Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.

human life > money
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Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.

Strangely, it actually costs the state more money to execute a prisoner than it does to keep them in prison. Death row inmates are guaranteed a very long and thorough judicial process by the constitution to minimise the chance of a wrongful execution, and these processes typically involve the most experienced and expensive lawyers and frequently use a lot of DNA testing, which is very expensive.

Many death row inmates also remain on death row for decades during this extended trial and appeal process, spending most of their time in special buildings separated from other prison populations, which require additional upkeep and more guards. In Texas for example, it costs an average of 2.3 million dollars - this is about 3 times more than is would cost to imprison someone in a maximum security prison for 40 years. It varies from state to state, but in every case it is more expensive to execute someone than it is to give them life in prison. In Maryland it costs an average of $3 million ($1.9 million more than it would cost to incarcerate them for life without parole), and in Pennsylvania this website suggests they've spent $350 million on the death penalty over a period of time where only 3 inmates actually ended up being executed.
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Originally Posted by Lord View Post
Idk if it is better to have a death penalty or to make all the killers / rapists suffer on a prison cell for the rest of their lives

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Originally Posted by Guard View Post
Well, you pay taxes to feed this people, always remember that

Well I only pay taxes for normal prisoners (here in Portugal we don't have death penalty).
And the taxes are not so bad because this is a small country with barely 10 million people.
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Originally Posted by Enclave View Post
In the United States, having more inmates means more taxes from citizens. Now, if you abolish private prisons (which many people support), then who's willing to pay more money out of their pocket so the government can hold more prisoners? It's a matter of cost. The death penalty abolishes the need to cause many citizens financial harm, and the death penalty helps deter greater crimes.


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With regards to the deterrence effect of the death penalty - There's no real evidence it does anything.
Originally Posted by National Research Council
Most researchers have used post-Gregg data from the United States to examine the statistical association between homicide rates and the legal status, the actual implementation of the death penalty, or both. The studies have reached widely varying, even contradictory, conclusions. Some studies conclude that executions save large numbers of lives; others conclude that executions actually increase homicides; and still others conclude that executions have no effect on homicide rates

Taken from here.

Additionally, just run through your head why people kill/rape. It's not often a cold/calculating weighing up of the pros and cons, of incentives and deterrences (and for those who do, they tend to think they're smart enough to not get caught). Usually, there's intense emotions involved. Consequences get pushed aside until after the act.

All that aside, wouldn't you agree that the tradition of retributive punishment is a little bit outdated? Eye for an eye? Bit biblical for my liking. Do you believe in free will? How much of what you do is really under your control? How much of it is a result of your upbringing and your brain chemistry? Have you heard of determinism? You have no choice but to act as you do. Rapists rape and Ele preaches. Lion's gonna lion. Do we kill all lions? If we have no choice in things, as I believe, then capital punishment seems barbaric as fuck. Certainly doesn't seem moral.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun View Post
There are posts in this thread regarding the risk of innocent life being taken through the death penalty. Of course, the idea that any innocent life could be taken away through false convictions is concerning (as rare as it is), but as a society we have gone into numerous events where we knew that the deaths of innocents were a possibility, yet pursued them through noble goals. For example, I doubt many of us here would have opposed the UK, or the US's involvement in the Second World War, despite the risk of innocent lives being taken.

I really don't think these are analogous. The death penalty is a punishment, conscription was necessary to defeat a dangerous ideology that wanted to dominate the entire world and eradicate any who opposed them.
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