Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Evidence varies; some studies/statistics arguably say it has some effect based on your interpretation of the data, others say it has no effect. Obviously the US and the UK have different cultures, so the effects may differ slightly. That's why I'm for the temporary reintroduction of it to see if its effects mirror the effects it had in the 1950s. Just for context, the death penalty was abolished in the UK in 1965.
Crime rates rose between 1960 and 1990 THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN WORLD
Don't think I have to state that during this period, the death penalty was used in a lot of US states.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I think it's fairly reasonable to think that a person might feel less-inclined to commit a crime if they'll be executed for it.
I see the death penalty as a deterrent - not for vengeful purposes.
People are really bad at weighing short-term and long-term benefits and drawbacks, I just don't think it's a factor.
Also 'forfeiting their right to life' sounds pretty vengeful to me, man.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
So the key word here is "necessary", and what we deem is necessary is subjective in this instance. It's a stalemate argument.
bruh
Are you seriously arguing Nazi's could've gone about their business without posing a serious threat to other countries? Is that not necessity?
I'm at a loss for words
alright guy
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
Evidence varies; some studies/statistics arguably say it has some effect based on your interpretation of the data, others say it has no effect. Obviously the US and the UK have different cultures, so the effects may differ slightly. That's why I'm for the temporary reintroduction of it to see if its effects mirror the effects it had in the 1950s. Just for context, the death penalty was abolished in the UK in 1965.
I think it's fairly reasonable to think that a person might feel less-inclined to commit a crime if they'll be executed for it.
So then your belief in the idea of death penalty as a deterrence (and your insistence to have it trialed in the UK) is based off 'gut instinct'? Your lizard brain?
Leading criminologists worldwide (>3500) were surveyed in 2009 on issues surrounding the death penalty. 88% of them agreed, based on the empirical evidence out there, that there is no credible evidence to support the view that the death penalty has a tangible deterrence effect. Study is here.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I see the death penalty as a deterrent - not for vengeful purposes.
Don't know why you'd see it that way since there's literally 0 credible evidence for it, but hey, you do you. The death penalty ain't justice, it's revenge.
Originally Posted by Mallymkun
I don't believe in the concept of predeterminism, so I don't agree with you.
Fair enough.
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