Originally Posted by sirkill1
Interesting read, long story short no. Police should not be responding to domestic violence calls.
Sorry, I wasn't being clear.
I believe that police should be present in those situations not to make arrests, but to ensure other (mental health) workers' and all of the involved's safety.
alright guy
Originally Posted by sirkill1
I can answer this
Is your name Tonakai mf?
Originally Posted by sirkill1
Imagine you have a domestic dispute and are yelling at your wife, a neighbor calls a noise complaint in and a social worker arrives and provides you counseling on the spot, you feel rehabilitated and no longer have the need to yell at your wife.
Because when police are called to DV situations, usually all that's needed is one party requires a kind and considerate talking to, right?
Originally Posted by sirkill1
The money that was used for militarization of the police is now transferred to providing healthcare for the junkies they keep throwing in prison who then get more drugs there instead of getting off drugs.
In America, don't you agree that a certain level of militarisation is necessary in policing, given the amount of gun violence and the culture of gun ownership? It's a classic example of the security dilemma.
Agree the war on drugs is retarded.
Originally Posted by sirkill1
Defunding the police looks like Britain and Sweden, you don't need a police man to tell you not to do drugs, you don't need a police man to have an automatic rifle and shoot 300 bullets and miss every single one and hit innocent bystanders that were driving in a high-speed marijuana possession chase.
Yeah, again tho, America can't be compared to Britain or Sweden.
Originally Posted by sirkill1
You don't need a policeman to jail a criminal that robbed you, you just need your money and your stuff back, like I give a fuck about some mugger taking 300 bucks from my wallet, mugger don't need 300 bucks he needs a career and way to pay for living, I need my 300 bucks. Today all I get is that guy goes to prison for 3 years I have to pay for his stay with my tax money and I am out 300 bucks nobody will ever give me that money back, good luck suing the broke dude that robbed you.
This isn't an argument about defunding the police. This is an argument about which form of justice is best. I think most thinking people agree that retributive justice (eye for an eye) isn't ideal. Here, you're pushing for a mixture of restorative and rehabilitive justice.
Originally Posted by sirkill1
The solution is not more money for police, its to get to the core of why the crime happened and prevent it. Reroute the money to that.
The solution ain't necesarrily defunding the police either, rather, the solution, I reckon, ought to be directed towards reforming the criminal justice system.
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Some people (filthy anarchists) take 'defunding' the police to mean the complete 'abolition' of policing, i.e. police aren't needed. That's silly. Anyone wanna take that line of argument here?
Originally Posted by Ele
Is your name Tonakai mf?
Because when police are called to DV situations, usually all that's needed is one party requires a kind and considerate talking to, right?
In America, don't you agree that a certain level of militarisation is necessary in policing, given the amount of gun violence and the culture of gun ownership? It's a classic example of the security dilemma.
No, thats why I linked that long ass article which you didn't read. I'm not going to explain it twice. And again no, the public should be able to solve that on their own without the police getting involved with more firepower. Ideally the problem is solved at the root, and we have lots of community intervention before a criminal turns into a criminal. That's the whole point of defunding the police. The shit that the police do now should be done by someone else whose main goal isn't to imprison them. I don't believe anyone is seriously arguing for wild west anarchy.
Originally Posted by Ele
This isn't an argument about defunding the police. This is an argument about which form of justice is best. I think most thinking people agree that retributive justice (eye for an eye) isn't ideal. Here, you're pushing for a mixture of restorative and rehabilitive justice. The solution ain't necesarrily defunding the police either, rather, the solution, I reckon, ought to be directed towards reforming the criminal justice system.
Well yes reforming the justice system might include redirecting police funds to community programs. The point is that there is too much punitive now and not anywhere near enough rehabilitative and restorative. Like why does the police need to be at a 911 call where a man fell out of a window and got shot when he ran up to the police covered in blood? The system is currently a revolving prison door which is garbage.
Originally Posted by Ele
Some people (filthy anarchists) take 'defunding' the police to mean the complete 'abolition' of policing, i.e. police aren't needed. That's silly. Anyone wanna take that line of argument here?
I'd like to see this argument as well. I imagine it looks pretty much like what I described where the goal is to immediately help and not immediately imprison, but this is unrealistic and much more difficult to implement.
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Originally Posted by DaVillain
Can one have an actual plan of action when wanting to "end racism"? How do we know racism is over? Define the end goal, what would the absence of racism look like for it to be a success?
When the problems raised in this thread no longer exist.
Originally Posted by DaVillain
I'm curious to see if you all have an answer, but I have observed the movement coming to a loop or at least a movement that doesn't have the need to come to an end. It has just become more of a hopeful saying like a prayer with no holistic plan in my opinion.
Movement being referred to ending racism.
Are you voicing your concerns for BLM turning into a black supremacy group or something?
I think right now the action plan is getting people to vote, so that the new(?) people in power can make laws and policies to counteract any imbalances in our society. There's not much more an average citizen can do. If you're curious for concrete policies, https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ lays out a bunch of them.
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