Small take on current russian propaganda.
2 days ago, after horrific results of russian occupation of Kyiv region were published, russian ministry of defense publicly stated, that "Russian forces left the city on March 30, 4 days before the publication of evidence of crimes (by Ukraine)" but the "problem" is that just 4 days ago, on 01.04.2022 they stated "Russian forces, after 5 days of successfully holding an enemy back on the Hostomel - Bucha - Ozera way, took under the full control the whole territory from Irpen river up to Kyiv"
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20224151-KMqbZ.html
Also, 2 days ago, Russian state media/propaganda (and you know, that in Russia there are only state media who can "cover the political situation" which they do under the goverment's agenda) RIA Novosti published an article that is named "What should Russia do with Ukraine?"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220403...781469605.html
It is HUGE, so I won't post the whole article for obvious reasons, you can throw it in any translator for yourself if you want, link above.
But I would like to share some statements with you, so you can understand clearly with whom we fight and why
And the last one is "just for lolz"
As delusional as it is, this is what they feed to the mass "consciousness" of Russians. To those, who doesn't want to understand the reality instead just adopts the "opinion" provided by the state.
They made it clear now, the main goal of Russian government and their crazy "ideologiest", if you can even call it this name, is that Ukraine shouldn't exist all and all ukrainians, who identify them as a separate nation, should fall under the lustration. On our terriytory they plan to create a filtration camp, where ukrainians will slowly be converted to "little russians (Malorussians)", and everything, that is somehow related to the idea of Ukraine, even the name of it, must be erased, burned, ripped off and the one who spreads it or at least believes in it must be tortured, brainwashed untill his identity dies or, if it doesn't happen, "eliminated".
Horrifyc dystopian scenario it is. Reminds me of Orwell's 1984 (Ye, ye, pop book but it is so accurate for the current situation)
They made it clear, without that regular charade about "brotherly nations" where Ukrainian to Russians were always "the smallest one" which can also be punished if he suddenly contradict his "older" one, that they tried to fed us all these previous years. And it has always been like that, I told you about it in my previous posts.
It is truly horrifyc, but... It was written for brainwashed russians, this crazy scenario won't happen because the only totalitarian country, that "imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration" is Russia to itself. This is the agony of a dying Putin's regime and Putin himself. Putin's regime is a plundered Nazism, chaotic mix of slavism, orthodox christianism, bolshevism and corruption above everrything. Putin's mistrust to everyone except of KGB/FSB, dida a cruel joke to him. He shouldn't have trust them as well. Because when you create the system, where YOU are the center of everything around and you make everyone around you not only unconditionally obey your orders, but echo your thoughts, this is what happens. He thought those trillions of dollars he spent over 20 years in destabilization of Ukraine, buying pro-russian politicians, investing in his relative Medvedchuk and his projects, "injecting" FSB agents into Ukrainian "bloodvessels" is enough. They told him that the ground is ready, but the problem is that they only said what he wanted to hear, not how it actually is. They stole most of the money he gave them. They became incredibly rich.
He thought he had a superior army technically, but MOD RF stole this money, and the "cumulative tank armor" is nothing but egg trays.
It was all a lie and it couldn't be different when YOU are the biggest thief in your country. You can't build your influence on theft of the state budget and expect certain areas of the state apparatus to work, it doesn't work like that.
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UPD:
2 days ago, after horrific results of russian occupation of Kyiv region were published, russian ministry of defense publicly stated, that "Russian forces left the city on March 30, 4 days before the publication of evidence of crimes (by Ukraine)" but the "problem" is that just 4 days ago, on 01.04.2022 they stated "Russian forces, after 5 days of successfully holding an enemy back on the Hostomel - Bucha - Ozera way, took under the full control the whole territory from Irpen river up to Kyiv"
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20224151-KMqbZ.html
Also, 2 days ago, Russian state media/propaganda (and you know, that in Russia there are only state media who can "cover the political situation" which they do under the goverment's agenda) RIA Novosti published an article that is named "What should Russia do with Ukraine?"
https://web.archive.org/web/20220403...781469605.html
It is HUGE, so I won't post the whole article for obvious reasons, you can throw it in any translator for yourself if you want, link above.
But I would like to share some statements with you, so you can understand clearly with whom we fight and why
Denazification is a set of measures in relation to the nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals.
The Nazis who took up arms should be destroyed to the maximum on the battlefield. There should be no significant differences between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the so-called national battalions (NOTE: Idk what that means, we have no such thing as "national battalions"), as well as the territorial defense that joined these two types of military formations.
There must be a total lustration. Any organizations that have associated themselves with the practice of Nazism have been liquidated and banned. However, in addition to the top, a significant part of the masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, are also guilty. They supported and indulged "Nazi" power. The just punishment of this part of the population is possible only as bearing the inevitable hardships of a just war against the "Nazi" system, waged as carefully and prudently as possible in relation to civilians.
Denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which implies (1) his absolute control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure such control. In this respect, a denazified country cannot be sovereign. The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach with regard to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be disputed by the guilty party subjected to denazification.
The terms of denazification can in no way be less than one generation, which must be born, grow up and reach maturity under the conditions of denazification.
The collective West is itself the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian Nazism
The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime.
In fact, their (Ukrainian) political aspiration cannot be neutral - expiation of guilt before Russia for treating it as an enemy can be realized only by relying on Russia in the processes of restoration, revival and development
Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-identification of the population of the territories of "historical" "Little Russia" and "New Russia", begun by the Soviet authorities.
Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization.
The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. It will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.
In this case, the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:
- liquidation of armed "Nazi" formations (which means any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational, educational infrastructure that ensures their activity
- installation of the Russian information space;
- the withdrawal of educational materials and the prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines (NOTE: they mean Ukrainian history and everything regarding Ukrainian culture and identity as they call it "large-scale artificial inflation" above);
-the adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types and forms of the revival of "Nazi" ideology;
-creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.
And the last one is "just for lolz"
Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a purely Russian business. And also since not only the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism(LOOOL), the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration
As delusional as it is, this is what they feed to the mass "consciousness" of Russians. To those, who doesn't want to understand the reality instead just adopts the "opinion" provided by the state.
They made it clear now, the main goal of Russian government and their crazy "ideologiest", if you can even call it this name, is that Ukraine shouldn't exist all and all ukrainians, who identify them as a separate nation, should fall under the lustration. On our terriytory they plan to create a filtration camp, where ukrainians will slowly be converted to "little russians (Malorussians)", and everything, that is somehow related to the idea of Ukraine, even the name of it, must be erased, burned, ripped off and the one who spreads it or at least believes in it must be tortured, brainwashed untill his identity dies or, if it doesn't happen, "eliminated".
Horrifyc dystopian scenario it is. Reminds me of Orwell's 1984 (Ye, ye, pop book but it is so accurate for the current situation)
They made it clear, without that regular charade about "brotherly nations" where Ukrainian to Russians were always "the smallest one" which can also be punished if he suddenly contradict his "older" one, that they tried to fed us all these previous years. And it has always been like that, I told you about it in my previous posts.
It is truly horrifyc, but... It was written for brainwashed russians, this crazy scenario won't happen because the only totalitarian country, that "imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration" is Russia to itself. This is the agony of a dying Putin's regime and Putin himself. Putin's regime is a plundered Nazism, chaotic mix of slavism, orthodox christianism, bolshevism and corruption above everrything. Putin's mistrust to everyone except of KGB/FSB, dida a cruel joke to him. He shouldn't have trust them as well. Because when you create the system, where YOU are the center of everything around and you make everyone around you not only unconditionally obey your orders, but echo your thoughts, this is what happens. He thought those trillions of dollars he spent over 20 years in destabilization of Ukraine, buying pro-russian politicians, investing in his relative Medvedchuk and his projects, "injecting" FSB agents into Ukrainian "bloodvessels" is enough. They told him that the ground is ready, but the problem is that they only said what he wanted to hear, not how it actually is. They stole most of the money he gave them. They became incredibly rich.
He thought he had a superior army technically, but MOD RF stole this money, and the "cumulative tank armor" is nothing but egg trays.
It was all a lie and it couldn't be different when YOU are the biggest thief in your country. You can't build your influence on theft of the state budget and expect certain areas of the state apparatus to work, it doesn't work like that.
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UPD:
For this thread is now NSFW I would like to share some photos of civilian victims of russian genocide towards Ukraine, that I've been talking previously
Last edited by Hug; Apr 5, 2022 at 09:59 AM.
Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
GLORY FOR UKRAINE
There's some things I'd like to share about Bucha and killings there in particular, just because it brings up some unsettling thoughts:
Recent satelite images have now revealed that bodies were already covering the streets as early as March 19, so now Russia simply can't deny the killings and dispute what's clearly visible (since now they are claiming all the videos and images of the area are staged).
Another even scarrier fact is that the satelite also revealed initial digging of the mass grave on March 10. It means almost a month ago from now, when we still didn't know the full extent of Russia's actions, they were already killing so many people, just in that area, that they needed a mass grave. That just shows how far behind we are on actually learning about all the attrocities commited in Ukraine right now. A lot of horrible things are still yet to be found..
Source of the satelite photos is Maxar, a private company based in the US
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In some photos of the dead civilians it can be seen that they were carrying Russian military rations (images bellow). It's very strange and I don't know what to make of it. It kind of looks like Russian soilders perhaps gave them to civilians, because other essential groceries can be seen next to them too, suggesting that they were out to get supplies. But then why were they killed? I've seen speculations by one guy suggesting they might've been killed by Azov for being traitors and accepting Russian help, but I think that's highly unlikely. Either way, very strange.
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Finally, a lot of media are mislabeling photos/videos at this point in a fight for clicks. For example the photos bellow have been spread as Bucha all over the media but records show that they're not taken in the same location. Not that it makes these killings any different, but it shows that a lot of misinformation is being spread about these events.
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There's a lot more I'd like to share but as of now I don't have time to fact-check every event so I'll leave it at that.
Recent satelite images have now revealed that bodies were already covering the streets as early as March 19, so now Russia simply can't deny the killings and dispute what's clearly visible (since now they are claiming all the videos and images of the area are staged).
Another even scarrier fact is that the satelite also revealed initial digging of the mass grave on March 10. It means almost a month ago from now, when we still didn't know the full extent of Russia's actions, they were already killing so many people, just in that area, that they needed a mass grave. That just shows how far behind we are on actually learning about all the attrocities commited in Ukraine right now. A lot of horrible things are still yet to be found..
Source of the satelite photos is Maxar, a private company based in the US
Satelite photos in relation to recent information
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In some photos of the dead civilians it can be seen that they were carrying Russian military rations (images bellow). It's very strange and I don't know what to make of it. It kind of looks like Russian soilders perhaps gave them to civilians, because other essential groceries can be seen next to them too, suggesting that they were out to get supplies. But then why were they killed? I've seen speculations by one guy suggesting they might've been killed by Azov for being traitors and accepting Russian help, but I think that's highly unlikely. Either way, very strange.
NSFW
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Finally, a lot of media are mislabeling photos/videos at this point in a fight for clicks. For example the photos bellow have been spread as Bucha all over the media but records show that they're not taken in the same location. Not that it makes these killings any different, but it shows that a lot of misinformation is being spread about these events.
Original photos with the context of events (NSFW)
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There's a lot more I'd like to share but as of now I don't have time to fact-check every event so I'll leave it at that.
Jeśli dobrze pamiętam z TB to rozumiesz po polsku, prawda?
Jak patrzę na zdjęcia w twoim ostatnim poście (Hug) to przypomina mi się pewien wiersz.
"Tej nocy zgładzono Wolność
W katyńskim lesie...
Zdradzieckim strzałem w czaszkę
Pokwitowano Wrzesień.
Związano do tyłu ręce,
By w obecności kata
Nie mogła ich wznieść błagalnie
Do Boga i do świata.
Zakneblowano usta,
By w tej katyńskiej nocy
Nie mogła błagać o litość,
Ni wezwać znikąd pomocy..."
Polacy też już nie jeden raz w historii przekonali się do czego zdolna jest rosyjska "armia", dlatego tak bardzo wam pomagamy.
Stary koń jestem ale jak na to patrzę to mi się łzy na oczy cisną.
Narazie przyjeliśmy z rodziną na 2 tygodnie znajomych z Ukrainy (jechali dalej do Wrocławia).
Wpłaciłem też trochę hajsu z kolejnej pensji głównie na zbiórki dla dzieci, bo to one w przyszłych latach będą odbudowywać wasze państwo.
Bije się z własnymi myślami bo z jednej strony mam konserwatywne podejście i nie chce zaostrzenia konfliktu (jakbyśmy się dołączyli to dla Polski to jest samobójstwo) a z drugiej strony ciężko się patrzy na waszą heroiczną ale jednak samotną walkę.
Trzymaj się tam.
Jak patrzę na zdjęcia w twoim ostatnim poście (Hug) to przypomina mi się pewien wiersz.
"Tej nocy zgładzono Wolność
W katyńskim lesie...
Zdradzieckim strzałem w czaszkę
Pokwitowano Wrzesień.
Związano do tyłu ręce,
By w obecności kata
Nie mogła ich wznieść błagalnie
Do Boga i do świata.
Zakneblowano usta,
By w tej katyńskiej nocy
Nie mogła błagać o litość,
Ni wezwać znikąd pomocy..."
ENG
Polacy też już nie jeden raz w historii przekonali się do czego zdolna jest rosyjska "armia", dlatego tak bardzo wam pomagamy.
Stary koń jestem ale jak na to patrzę to mi się łzy na oczy cisną.
Narazie przyjeliśmy z rodziną na 2 tygodnie znajomych z Ukrainy (jechali dalej do Wrocławia).
Wpłaciłem też trochę hajsu z kolejnej pensji głównie na zbiórki dla dzieci, bo to one w przyszłych latach będą odbudowywać wasze państwo.
Bije się z własnymi myślami bo z jednej strony mam konserwatywne podejście i nie chce zaostrzenia konfliktu (jakbyśmy się dołączyli to dla Polski to jest samobójstwo) a z drugiej strony ciężko się patrzy na waszą heroiczną ale jednak samotną walkę.
Trzymaj się tam.
Last edited by Bison; Apr 6, 2022 at 04:17 AM.
hurh hurh hurh *chews grass*
Originally Posted by Smaguris
Finally, a lot of media are mislabeling photos/videos at this point in a fight for clicks. For example the photos bellow have been spread as Bucha all over the media but records show that they're not taken in the same location. Not that it makes these killings any different, but it shows that a lot of misinformation is being spread about these events.
It's simply misinterpretation because Bucha for some reason stood out in international media, you are right. Many write only about Bucha, but even now the photos and reports are not only from Bucha. This is Stoyanka, and Motizhin, and every other occupied village of the Kiev region, Severshchyna, Slobozhanshchyna, Tavria and Donbass.
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Originally Posted by Bison
Polacy też już nie jeden raz w historii przekonali się do czego zdolna jest rosyjska "armia", dlatego tak bardzo wam pomagamy.
Stary koń jestem ale jak na to patrzę to mi się łzy na oczy cisną.
Narazie przyjeliśmy z rodziną na 2 tygodnie znajomych z Ukrainy (jechali dalej do Wrocławia).
Wpłaciłem też trochę hajsu z kolejnej pensji głównie na zbiórki dla dzieci, bo to one w przyszłych latach będą odbudowywać wasze państwo.
Bije się z własnymi myślami bo z jednej strony mam konserwatywne podejście i nie chce zaostrzenia konfliktu (jakbyśmy się dołączyli to dla Polski to jest samobójstwo) a z drugiej strony ciężko się patrzy na waszą heroiczną ale jednak samotną walkę.
Trzymaj się tam.
(Sorry ze nie mam polskiej klawiatury obecnie)
Hej, najpierw dziekuje za pomoc twoja oraz Polski w calosci, tak naprawde nie oczekiwalem ze Polski urzad zajmie taka mocna i aktywna pozycje.
Wiersz jest doreczny, tragiczne zdarzenia w Katyniu sa naprawde bardzo podobne do tego, co rosyjskie mordercy robia na terenie tymczasowo okupowanych regionow Ukrainy.
Jestem pewien, ze wiekszosc polakow maja ta historyczna pamiec. Oczywiscie obserwowalem na FB w komentarzy pewnych debilow, ktorzy pierdzili cos "O JAKBYS POLACY TAK POMAGALI POLAKOM JAKO UKRAINCOM TERAZ" pod postami o zaproszeniu na zgromadzenia do pomocy uchodzcam z Ukrainy, ale rozumiem ze to jakies Grazyny i Janusze z blokow. Chcialbym powiedziec ze wszyscy ukraincy sa inteligentne a kulturalne, ale nie chcę kłamać.
Chicialbym tez troche powiedzic o zaostrzeniu konfliktu, chociaz pewnie to nie bedzie dla ciebie nowoscia. Nie jest to wielka tajemnica ze Putin ne mial planow zastopowac sie na Ukrainie, ewentualnie by poszedl dalej wojna na krainy baltyckie oraz na RP. Tak, naprzyklad, jeden z top propagandystow rosji Solowjow, ktory sie finansuje Kremlinem, powiedzial tak
„Jeśli myślisz, że zatrzymamy się na Ukrainie, zastanów się 300 razy. Przypomnę, że Ukraina jest tylko etapem pośrednim w zapewnieniu bezpieczeństwa strategicznego Federacji Rosyjskiej”
No i w calosci te tezy ktore oni transluja przez telewizje sa pojebane, ze trzeba jebnac po Polsce, zeby NATO przestrasilo sie. No, ale "nie strasz, nie strasz, bo sie zesrasz")
Tak co walczimy za wszystkich teraz przy pomocy sojuznicow. Przykro mi bylo czytac jak Biden nalozyl weto na transfer myśliwców sowieckich, które Polska zaproponowała przekazać w Ukrainę. Ale w chuj to.
Tak co myszlie ze lepiej pomoc nam zamknąć kwestię współczesnych nazistów w obliczu Rosji na naszym terytorium, niż później walczyć w Polsce, Litwie, Łotwie, Estonii, Niemczech itd.
Zamordujemy ich wszystkich.
Last edited by Hug; Apr 6, 2022 at 10:35 PM.
Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
GLORY FOR UKRAINE
Było pare wycieków nagrań audio "żołnierzy" rosyjskich, i mówili otwarcie o napadaniu na domy i zabieraniu własności osób zmuszonych do ucieczki. Serce się kraja gdy się o tym słyszy, a co dopiero gdy mówią o innych swoich podłościach. Jesteśmy z wami i będziemy was wspierać jak tylko możemy. Szkoda że ludzie tego nie rozumieją, nie widzą skali wojny. Myślę że jedyna rzecz która by zmieniła postawę zwykłego polaczka to gdyby wojna nie kończyła się na granicy Ukraińskiej, ale przeszła już do Polski. Najbliższy atak na teren ukraiński od granicy Polskiej był zaledwie 20km od nas, wystarczy że ktoś się jebnie i zrzuci na nas, i już oficjalnie wejdziemy w teren wojny.
Piszę po Polsku bo wiem że kto chcę przeczytać, to nawet przetłumaczy, a osoby które nie wspierają naszej strony, to oni przecież będą jedynie wyśmiewać. Trzymaj się Hug, wierzę że nastanie dzień gdy będziemy mogli się skupić na odbudowie straconych domów, a nie gwarantowania tymczasowych domów w Polsce. Niezależnie od tego gdy ten dzień nastanie, będziemy robić co w naszej mocy by pomóc.
Będę sprawdzał twoje posty gdy tylko mogę, ciężko o wiarygodne źródło informacyjne w dzisiejszych czasach.
Nie musisz odpisywać, wszystko co najważniejsze odpisałeś Bisonowi. Jedynie chciałem dodać od siebie, że wszyscy jesteśmy z wami myślami i sercem.
Piszę po Polsku bo wiem że kto chcę przeczytać, to nawet przetłumaczy, a osoby które nie wspierają naszej strony, to oni przecież będą jedynie wyśmiewać. Trzymaj się Hug, wierzę że nastanie dzień gdy będziemy mogli się skupić na odbudowie straconych domów, a nie gwarantowania tymczasowych domów w Polsce. Niezależnie od tego gdy ten dzień nastanie, będziemy robić co w naszej mocy by pomóc.
Będę sprawdzał twoje posty gdy tylko mogę, ciężko o wiarygodne źródło informacyjne w dzisiejszych czasach.
Nie musisz odpisywać, wszystko co najważniejsze odpisałeś Bisonowi. Jedynie chciałem dodać od siebie, że wszyscy jesteśmy z wami myślami i sercem.