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Venezuela rn
since some friends have asked me I'm making this thread is to inform and shed a light, even if toribash has few active players, on the situation my country is going through; most of you are my friends and I wouldn't want you to be uninformed about what is going on, as you all probably know, I'm from Venezuela, and I've lived here all my life because I deeply love my country, given that, there's a lot of news going around since we're in pretty messed up times right now.

here's a sick ass beat I made + visual summary of the situation for my ig story


As with the 2002 protests, 2014 came along as well as 2017, now it's 2024 and the same dictatorial regime has stayed in power, it was instigated by a Chávez-led coup and subsequent elections in 1999 where he won, given this context:

What is happening right now is simple to explain but hard to sift through the details, basically the 2024 presidential elections led by the Chavista regime of throne heir Nicolás Maduro, and opposition leader(s) María Corina Machado and Edmundo González Urrutia (who is the candidate representing Corina Machado as her candidacy was voided, she then tried to have Corina Yoris as her candidate, who was also voided) were stolen, as always they rigged them, this is so habitual and not a shocker at all that I along with everyone with two functioning neurons were expecting it. However what I wasn't expecting was for the people to take up their arms and express their dissatisfaction with such vigor.

I had the least amount of hope for the elections, granted I was absolutely right in that they'd be rigged and people had a pretty innocent hope of the government giving up their power, which didn't happen, as of 3 days ago people have taken to the streets to display their disapproval of the dictatorial government, however the opposition, the Mesa de la Unidad or MUD which is Corina Machado's party, have historically been in cahoots with the government, as the opposition ever since the 2006 election has been on the government's payroll.

(This claim is certainly an unpopular and cynical one to make, the people trust her and see her as a leader, but to me she is as controlled as, in order of candidacy, Manuel Rosales, Henrique Capriles, Leopoldo López, Juan Guaidó, and Henri Falcón)

All entities are to blame, obviously heading the guilt is the government for imposing a 25-year long systemic economic nightmare that led to striking rates of starvation specially during the great hunger of 2016, and incredible oppression to protests, as well as basically creating generational fear amidst the people due to their cruelty, and the opposition as well for being always at the mercy of the government's conspiracies, everyone involved in the national politics, all of the Chavista cohorts comprised of Maduro, Diosdado, Vladimir Padrino, Tarek William, all of them, but I also include the MUD, Corina Machado and Edmundo as also being guilty of instigating these protests while also throwing a shoe at the cogs of freedom in calls for peace amidst a country that doesn't want to hear it, this rage was seen after the 2012 presidential loss of Capriles Radonski and it was appeased by him calling not to take the streets and instead strike pans and pots in protest, this scenario of already-seen-before self-sabotage, this same bait and switch of first giving the people hope and then failing them to let the streets go cold helmed by Henrique Capriles Radonski who won by a landslide but sold his presidential term to the Chavista regime under the table in a corrupt negotiation.

more on this anti-establishment topic



Now, what did I think would happen? I knew the opposition would lose due to fraud, I didn't think that the people would be hopeful enough as to protest, but they have and so have I to fulfill the will of the people.

Do I think something will happen? having the international watch be a useless enabler ever since the 2002 failed american-backed coup, and having the OEA (OAS in English) reject the motion to fully identify the election as a huge fraud [revision for when I wrote this: this was so blatant that it was overruled and the case was approved and further actions were taken to set an arrest warrant on Maduro as a human rights violator and criminal], which it clearly was, as the opposition made a full website where people can publicly see the ballots gathered by the respective assigned board members defending democracy by subverting the corrupt CNE (Electoral National Center) and backtracking the votes paper by paper, and they transparently attest that they do NOT match at all with the digital CNE government-backed results, in the slightest, as well as the 'official' results having several issues mathematically speaking, such as it being a perfect round calculation [like, 51.20000000%] like they chose the percentage and then ran the numbers of how much that would be. - So the international method is absolutely farcical at this point.

What would be the way to go in my opinion: given the opposition being an actual opposing force and not an ally, what SHOULD'VE happened was that they'd be immediate in their response, already expecting fraud, and going fully into one single narrative instead of fragmenting their strengths and letting the streets get cold which is what they're doing, to many of our eyes.

The strategic means if you really want change would've been a calling to arms in the streets AND GIVE THEM DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS as they need leadership to not be a headless snake, as what happens now with the government, different from 2002, 2014, and 2017, is that they no longer have the numbers to back up the oppression, even the criminals, the thugs, the gang members, which are many in this country, are with the opposition as the government has an incredibly poor reputation (even after the economy has had an up ever since a couple years ago, with our first ever in decades positive GDP, as well as historically low inflation compared to regular Venezuelan hyperinflation)

For the first time ever, the revving engine of a motorcycle didn't mean that we were about to be shot at in the protest, it meant that we were being protected by the people with our same cause, this fraternization of the masses and social classes means the entire repudiation of the government, having their core supporters, that being the disenfranchised, racial minorities, economic pariahs and disrespected lower classes, be against the very government that for the first decade of its run did very much advocate for them.

Somebody make an AI summary of this in case y'all don't want to read this much

also I've gone out and protested not because I support the leadership but because I believe the people's will must be supported no matter how delicate I think the economy is right now and exacerbating the problem by causing a ruckus will fuck that up, here's a summary + sick ass beat of day two



THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DEATHS, disappearances, unjust arrests with no trial, torture, political imprisonment, taunts on the oppressed by government officials, claims that people are faking all the blood with ketchup, Elon Musk challenging Maduro to a fistfight, this shit is insane

But I will keep the fight, worry not about me my friends for I am a Toribash fighter and I use goldpeople. I will not be captured or killed so I can keep shitposting for years to come, and finally, in a free country. Fuck oppresion.

Thank you for reading, this cause is important to me and I hope you understand this is one of the ways in which I can help get the word out.
Last edited by Alejandro; Aug 1, 2024 at 09:58 AM.
Idk y u stay there, u should get a student visa to newfoundland or go to svalbard if u can't manage a visa anywhere, remote work as an artist should give u a lot of launch options
Originally Posted by millie View Post
Idk y u stay there, u should get a student visa to newfoundland or go to svalbard if u can't manage a visa anywhere, remote work as an artist should give u a lot of launch options

I understand this take but it is not one I consider, I've gone out, I've travelled to the US, I have a working American Visa to this day, I've been to Panama, vacationed in Argentina, I'm not attempting an escape, I'm built different, this is my home country and it is where I'm from and it is the country I love, I will not be part of the exodus; I will not gift my country away and renounce my Venezuelan heritage, I know it may sound irrational but I am a patriot regarding this topic, so excuse me coming off a bit militant about it
Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
my heart goes out to the people of venezuela

thank you emogirl it is appreciated we will prevail fr this shit will go DOWN

Originally Posted by millie View Post
badass

lol ily
you are a fucking tank my man, slam that big ass boot down hard enough to break my glass and fuck up my windowed ac unit
part of the uri-nation rateyourmusic
frog up his ass or something
I see a lot of info on the poor situation of Venezuela but how do you want Venezuela to fix its economy and the roots of its problems?


As in if you were the government what would you do to fix Venezuela?
Last edited by sirkill1; Aug 1, 2024 at 09:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by Toffee View Post
"exacerbating the problem by causing a ruckus will fuck that up"

Can you elaborate on what you meant by this? I'm a little confused because it seems like you're supportive of and taking part in the antifascist protests. Here it seems like you're suggesting that too much protest will hurt the economy more? I'm curious.

Oh I can clearly see why that could've been the message I'm coming across with, that's not what I'm trying to say, although in the short term it's blatantly true that halting production, blocking transportation either of personnel or of means of production, will harm the economy, alongside making people scramble to buy food and supplies which will inevitably make the prices skyrocket specially in an inflation-prone mindset like we're used to.

However the point that I guess could've gone in depth about and I didn't is that I for one do not trust Corina Machado's economic neoliberal Thatcher-inspired plans, they're not talked about in depth by either Edmundo or her, and I feel like due to the economic trauma that Venezuela has felt, do not know if the economy has grown in the last 3 years in spite of the government due to the market self-regulating thanks to them not causing direct damage to it anymore, since you're an inquisitive person I'm sure you won't mind I go a bit back in history as I will here:

a bit about venezuelan economy



the tl;dr I don't trust a Chavista government or a Corina Machado government enough with their economic policies, as I think they are in the same bag and absolutely controlled by the same people, and between the two Corina Machado's seem too radical for a delicate, frail, growing economy, I foresee a collapse if she comes in sweeping to undermine the lower classes by discontinuing all social plans and implementing a focus on privatization of establishments such as schools or transport.
Last edited by Alejandro; Aug 1, 2024 at 11:12 PM.
Where instability grows, opportunities arise. How would you handle an influential Western country propping up some government that is potentially better than the current one? Suppose you knew ahead of time that Venezuela's problems would disappear.
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Infracted for having the best goddamn replays in Toribash history.

Originally Posted by sirkill1 View Post
I see a lot of info on the poor situation of Venezuela but how do you want Venezuela to fix its economy and the roots of its problems?


As in if you were the government what would you do to fix Venezuela?

I am taking action by protesting and informing, to fix the government's issues is not on me and not my responsibility. I am an artist, not a statesman, economist, or politician.

I would prefer somebody like third-wheel presidential candidate Antonio Ecarri [1] take over the government for he does have plans which I find healthy and reliable. There's a reason why he's basically deplatformed and despised by both the MUD and the PSUV, as he talks openly about their corruption and alliance.

Originally Posted by Starfield View Post
Where instability grows, opportunities arise. How would you handle an influential Western country propping up some government that is potentially better than the current one? Suppose you knew ahead of time that Venezuela's problems would disappear.

During any intervention there are interests in the mix, and we have to talk about our oil, contrary to popular belief of its incredible value, Venezuelan oil is mostly a hassle, it is heavy and hard to process, the local infrastructure as I've stated is poor to destroyed, and it is simply not that profitable of an endeavor in the long term since fossil fuels are prone to be discontinued within the next decade or two, so I'd have to ask what the motivation for an intervention would be, since we are not at our peak of humanitarian crisis, that was 2016-2017 when the protests, the famous Guarimbas, were incredibly profound and long-lasting.

However, be it the Comando Sur, the Cascos Azules, any of the international organizations defending Venezuela's rights, the people would be happy to be intervened, I would be relieved that the people are appeased, however a little disappointed for the inability of my people to stand up for themselves and need a colonizer's assistance, again I'm a militant radical on these topics.

Me personally I would love a local, national social bounceback that breaks the wheel of corruption comprised of the PSUV and the MUD, conjoined by a swift military coup and takeover and a subsequent call for true, open elections with a non CNE organization to preside over them.

Originally Posted by kani View Post
my heart goes to all people who suffer in venezuela now, and i hope that some day you will be free from all of this oppression and suffering and all the people who have been responsible for it will pay, a way or another.

thank you bro

Regarding the Hungary issue, I hope you guys can come out of that, it's no fun having your whole life be under one single government which the people hate. Stay strong
Last edited by Alejandro; Aug 1, 2024 at 11:03 PM.