Originally Posted by Shogunna
going browser based would be a huge step up in portability imo
Just to be on topic with the OP, a simplified TB oriented game that can be played via a web browser wouldn't be impossible, though if you'd want it to be an optimal experience it would need to be barebones and resort to recommending the user to try out Toribash on PC/MOBILE or other future ports stable enough for the full experience.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
It might be because the money spent on the game isn't going towards the game. Its filling hampas pockets and whoever profits from it. and he's not here anymore to care to fix any of it whilst quote on quote knowing about it.
Nabi Studios is a For-Profit company which means all generated income goes to the owners and holders. That means yes, generated income IS in fact going to the rightful individuals that run Nabi Studios, why is this a surprise to you? Nabi Studios isn't obligated to provide financial inventory of tracked finances to every player that complains about the game being old and isn't AAA modern quality in 2026.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
some of them don't work like they should, so a lot of requests for improvements or any complaints get mostly ignored and/or overlooked.
You can suggest and recommend all you want on the forums or to staff that will listen to you, just because you don't get an answer later on or see immediate action doesn't mean staff aren't "working as they should". Common sense should allow you to formulate detailed recommendations for clarities sake if there's something that can be improved upon, if you're just complaining and being frustrated nobody is going to listen to you just because you're making noise. Try being respectful about it and PM the appropriate admin that might be able to consider any reasonable and relevant suggestions.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
AI is just slop and slight realism movement, but the background changes constantly because the computer doesn't know where it is, it detects a color and shape and builds off of a scripted set of backgrounds and objects mashed together.
LLM's are the sum of ML(Machine Learning) being piloted by AI(Artificial Intelligence) to provide opportunities to execute prompts in a multitude of ways. LLM's are what you communicate with on the surface, AI incorporates large clusters of data structures and algorithms from ML while pairing tech farms with lots of resources capable of executing tasks. If an LLM is capable of generating content in any form and the main concern is quality of the output, that will depend on proper data training and the appropriate resources to process or render what you want made, all while abiding by laws and regulations.
Humans are very capable of doing shitty jobs but the caveat to that is that humans have a lifetime to learn and improve while living their own lives that could contain a multitude of variables for why the first attempt isn't the best one.
All technology regardless of what it is purely exists as a tool to enhance what can't be done by ordinary means. It's up to the user of a tool to take into account any ethical and moral implications while using the tool responsibly. If someone doesn't want to be responsible or wants to use a tool maliciously, this is where accountability comes into play, and often is the problem with many users that chronically use LLM's or are co-dependent on LLM's to get things done.
There's no such thing as "computers not knowing where they are" as technology is not sentient nor capable of natural life. Any efforts to reciprocate technology being sentient or "consciously aware" is primarily due to social engineering by human activity, hence why AI being dubbed "artificial intelligence" is to mimic human intelligence.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
for any other art like fractals, there can be wild AI photos. not that you made them yourself, but art is art. It won't come to pass if you don't pull the trigger. Also, if it's just for textures i see no issue. but for objects, it's just unheard of for this game.
Fractals are geometrical, arbitrary shapes that can be created with mathematical equations rendered in 3D, and also happen to be naturally found in many aspects of life itself. Fractals can be created even without mathematical equations, depending on the artist you can use repeating patterns or shapes to produce fractal art. You don't need AI integration at all to achieve fractal art, it's often available as extra curricular course relating to STEM and art related degree paths depending on where you are.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
good luck AI generating a 3d object to be processed into the game. you have to literally MAKE the object. AI isn't going to do that type of processing. It makes images and videos. Not 3d objects to my knowledge.
If the LLM is capable of processing 3D object generations as an acceptable prompt, it's going to provide an output for you but it won't be remotely close to being usable at first. You'll most likely spend time reducing polycount, fixing normals, retopology, and more just for it to MAYBE be usable.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
Even if you could process an item that way, how do you know the game can handle its complexity?
Don't confuse complexity with poor design, simple as that. You can build a complex object and have zero issue rendering it, or you can also build a terrible object that can be barely rendered and completely unoptimized for normal use.
If you want to go off-topic feel free to pm/dm me instead of flooding this suggestion thread with irrelevancy. All of my responses on this thread are made purely on my own volition and not backed by Nabi affiliates. If I'm incorrect about anything, no harm done, just be respectful when responding.
Originally Posted by sir
dude just make it run in chrome it'll make billions i promise
ok send source code
If I was able to have one wish, it would be to live closer to my one true love Fred, his beard tastes so nice.
He is also a far superior tk player.
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Originally Posted by D4NTE
not what I meant entirely. there's just some staff that volunteer for 3 months and quit for free stuff admittedly and or staff that downplay ideas or just make a quote like "you can do this instead and it won't have to be done" or "No" or saying "it's too much" or something other than that in a sense if you know what I mean. I don't blame them for not wanting to code. Coding is serious hard stuff. Ive coded before and it is not fun writing if then shit. They probably just don't feel like doing anything because its hard and that's fine. No judgement, I'm a changed man.
Toribash moderation staff (ES/TA/MS/Smod/Admin) are not developers. They do not have the ability to make the changes you are suggesting. In saying that they are typically more knowledgable than the typical user or have access to information that we do not so they're responses carry some weight. I'd listen to what they have to say.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
I'm not complaining about the oldness of the game either here I wasn't complaining at all. I was stating a fact. Hampa has the money to fix a couple of bugs. You know well that he does.
We can only speculate on how much money Hampa has and what he wants to do with it. For all we know it's only enough to keep the servers running.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
Do you understand that PC and mobile arent the only use of the internet browser chrome? There's Playstation4 and 5 and Xbox and steam and the Wii.
this game would be fuckin massive if you did it. Just copy paste the coding. Get sir to do it, he knows how to code for sure.
Personally I'd contact Hampa for a major thing such as.
You're not saying that if Toribash ran in a browser that it would then also run on PS4/5 and Xbox, right?
Originally Posted by D4NTE
What I mean is the random glitches where your body decides to move down and sideways like it's a teleport. or the random harsh dms and frac adjustments. Not a whole lot wrong with the game. Just minor issues I think a lot of people hate. Like maxcontacts, and yeah I know its a feature but it shouldn't exist. that needs an update.
or the grips prioritizing over another grip even though both players are touching.
Nothing has to be "AAA grade" for me. its slight things that can make it perfect but not "AAA grade". The graphics are already great.
Valid points, there are interactions in the game that are buggy and feel bad. They've also been around for a very long time and haven't been fixed. Whether that's limitations of the engine or are too difficult to unwind from core gameplay mechanics, who knows. What we can gather from this information though is that it hasn't stopped many people from adapting and playing to the bugs.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
ima just say these two you already got platforms on. so the rest will follow through. you can play tb on playstation with the gyro pointer.
R2 would be extend R1 contract L1 relax L2 hold I suppose. Hell I think you could even use the right joystick to switch between joints quickly per push in direction of next joint.
Sure, great ideas. It would require a lot of development work though. I imagine if there was a reasonable return on investment it might've been done in the past, but it wasn't. We can gather from sirs comment that plenty of suggestions do not equate to hefty returns.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
No hate to [I]every staff member/I] I just mean some staff don't want to do major work with no compensation. That's why there's less of a shit given on recommendations. Ive seen players vote on things to be implemented only to be told "no were not changing that"
Like I mentioned above, Toribash moderation staff are not developers. What may seem like a simple change to you still requires development work.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
I never said they needed to. I said the money is going to Hampa and other developers and he or they are not here to fix it any further than what they have done. That's all it means. A statement. No problem.
Hampa, yes. Other developers, there are not as far as I know. sir was the sole developer for a long time and I believe he is no longer working for Nabi.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
Why do you think Sneaky signed my signature? I apologized to him and everyone else like Tabby too. We were just mortal enemies two days ago and now we aren't. I can make friends with people if I try to be nicer. I have common sense BTW. I don't think asking a question for opinions is related to common sense especially if I need an answer to my question or an opinion on a statement there is no clarity if I don't know what the community feels like on said topic. I do know I need something better than "try harder bro" or "play better". these statements had no real basis about shrinking some mods down a little. I can't do all my thinking alone. I need REAL opinions and way more than one to bounce more ideas out. I post for the community to be happy playing, not just me. Some people really liked my first suggestions.
Like I mentioned above, Toribash moderation staff have been around the block a few times. I understand that you've spent time on these suggestions and it doesn't feel great when they don't get responded to or you're just told "no", but in reality it can sometimes be quite obvious if a suggestion wont ever see the light of day.
Originally Posted by D4NTE
I've nearly put 3k USD into Toribash by myself. Plus the store is a scam. If I can get 8 million from iTemp for the same price of 100k in the shop (which I did 6 times). Then I'd rather pay iTemp and make my game feel different with a huge inventory rather than pay for scraps
It's the difference between spawning TC (buying from the official store) and circulating existing TC (buying from TC sellers). If the cost of TC in the shop was reduced, or you got more for your money, it would temporarily put money in Hampas pockets but TC would still flow in to the same pockets and would eventually be sold at a better rate by TC sellers. It might feel nice having millions, or even billions of TC but the cost of items would adjust over time and we would be in the same boat again. It's not a sustainable move by Nabi and would only cause the economy to be temporarily borked.
If it's not evident from my ramblings above we should not expect major changes to Toribash in the near future. As far as I know sir is no longer a developer at Nabi and Hampa does not make changes to Toribash and hasn't for a while. It's also worth noting that I am not a member of staff, I'm just passionate about the game and want to pass on any information I can for the benefit of the community. If you search me up in the suggestions board you'll find I've also given my share of suggestions, some legitimate and some for my own entertainment. Sometimes I've had a response and sometimes not, it's just the nature of the game at this point. I've personally come to accept that Toribash is the way it is and we should make the most of what we have. I don't want to completely put you off of making suggestions, I think it's great to show that there are users thinking about this stuff and give a damn about the game, it at the very least signals that we are here and that we care.
I also want to acknowledge your apologies in the Allegiance Discord the other day, I'm happy to see you're turning the corner, even if it means you're joining the existing jaded population like myself. I feel like you've speedrun that transition much like I did (I've done the angries, to sads, to acceptance a couple years ago). Come on in, the water is tepid and there's a bunch of us here trying our best.
#TEAMSNEAKY