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Here's a situation
This story has sparked an idea for this discussion.
Imagine this scenario:
You walk down an abandoned alley and suddenly see some hooded teenagers (almost adults) laughing while stomping a 10 week old puppy to death. Let's also imagine you are very physically fit and well trained in hand to hand combat. Would you punish them? Would you "turn the other cheek" and disregard this behavior? Or would you leave it to the police (who, assuming they would catch them, merely give them some community service). Let's also assume that if you were to 'punish' them your chances of getting caught by police were very minimal.
As for me, i could probably take it as far as killing them both and sleeping soundly that night. Am i a sociopath? I think on the contrary.
Reason suggests that killing something as innocent and defenseless as a puppy is a manifestation of repulsively tremendous lack of compassion, which is most certainly detrimental to society. By aborting their existence i would more likely than not be making life better for the community. I would honestly feel much more guilty if i allowed them to repeat anything like it again.
Now you may ask: "but odlav, what about your own lack of compassion for those idiots?"
My lack compassion towards them is simply dwarfed by lack of compassion they have for other living beings. They are neither innocent nor clueless, and my actions would be (in my eyes) justified by redemption for repulsive act they've committed. What were their acts fueled by? Lust for fun? Curiosity? Stupidity? Neither is a very good reason.
Truth be told, i have far more compassion for humanity in large than a couple violent and dim-witted yobs who murder innocent defenseless animals. And i have all reasons to believe humanity would benefit from their deaths.
PS: If i didn't actually kill them, I would make sure they would never stomp anything again (like crush both of their tibias)
Imagine this scenario:
You walk down an abandoned alley and suddenly see some hooded teenagers (almost adults) laughing while stomping a 10 week old puppy to death. Let's also imagine you are very physically fit and well trained in hand to hand combat. Would you punish them? Would you "turn the other cheek" and disregard this behavior? Or would you leave it to the police (who, assuming they would catch them, merely give them some community service). Let's also assume that if you were to 'punish' them your chances of getting caught by police were very minimal.
As for me, i could probably take it as far as killing them both and sleeping soundly that night. Am i a sociopath? I think on the contrary.
Reason suggests that killing something as innocent and defenseless as a puppy is a manifestation of repulsively tremendous lack of compassion, which is most certainly detrimental to society. By aborting their existence i would more likely than not be making life better for the community. I would honestly feel much more guilty if i allowed them to repeat anything like it again.
Now you may ask: "but odlav, what about your own lack of compassion for those idiots?"
My lack compassion towards them is simply dwarfed by lack of compassion they have for other living beings. They are neither innocent nor clueless, and my actions would be (in my eyes) justified by redemption for repulsive act they've committed. What were their acts fueled by? Lust for fun? Curiosity? Stupidity? Neither is a very good reason.
Truth be told, i have far more compassion for humanity in large than a couple violent and dim-witted yobs who murder innocent defenseless animals. And i have all reasons to believe humanity would benefit from their deaths.
PS: If i didn't actually kill them, I would make sure they would never stomp anything again (like crush both of their tibias)
Last edited by Odlov; Nov 12, 2009 at 08:40 PM.
Originally Posted by Gubbin1
I'd call the cops. Seeing such behavior would make be fear them. If they are capable of stomping a puppy to death, they are certainly capable of pulling a knife out and stabbing me to death.
Let's assume you are very confident in your ability (eg you're a combat sambo/krav maga specialist and former SWAT member)
Originally Posted by xXWolverineWepXx
then i would take the puppy to the nearest vet cause he has probly been beaten damn near close to death. Yes, i think you are kind of psycotic...
Well the puppy is dead, that's it. No hospital would help.
As for psychotic comment - that's ok, i expected some people to react in that way.
Last edited by Odlov; Oct 30, 2009 at 02:44 AM.
Originally Posted by BlakNWyte
Seeing a group of hooded teenagers brutally stomp on the skull of a puppy for laughs, and knowing myself, my emotions would probably overwhelm me and I would go in arms swinging. I wouldn't kill them, of course, maybe a few broken bones. I would then call the cops on them.
That's if it were in my shoes. If I were making a decision solely based on logic, I would call the cops and go on my merry way.
That's what i would have done too, if it weren't for my own life experience with those types of people.
Growing up i used to know a guy who tortured animals for fun. Threw frogs against the wall, inflated them with water, tied fireworks to kittens and so on. He was too young to get community service for it, let alone anything else. Me and my friends beat the shit out him when we saw him do it (on 2 occasions) but he never stopped.
Now, I know saying that all people who kill a defenseless animal fit his criteria is reckless, but...you know. I don't think my compassion for a fellow human would outweigh the compassion for the dog if i saw them torturing one while laughing. I don't think I would let them go....anywhere.
Last edited by Odlov; Oct 30, 2009 at 05:07 AM.
Originally Posted by Vamp_09
Odlov, i dont know your age, nor do i expect that you would tell me the truth if i asked, but from your first post on this tread your mindframe seems very childish. You "probably could" kill them and sleep soundly and such, but what you fail to see is that these kids are 99 percent of the time only hurting a smaller and harmless creature because they had the same thing done to them, Most likely from a father figure of theirs. If i found myself in this situation i would probably push them back, grab the most likely now dead animal, tell the kids that if they want to hurt something they should do it to whatever made them want to do this to the animal, than walk off to a veterinarian.
I'm 21.
I am deeply sorry if their upbringing has made them into monsters they are, but the fact remains...they are who they are, and there is little we could do at this point to correct them.
If we take that route we can just justify away every mass murderer and tyrant, by citing their poor upbringing and faulty genetics....
Last edited by Odlov; Oct 30, 2009 at 03:09 AM.
Originally Posted by Ragdollmaster
I would make sure these guys ended up in a facility of some type- now, whether that's a police station, mental institution, hospital, or morgue would probably depend on my mood atm and their exact behaviour atm.
This is probably how i should have worded my actions ideally, but i wanted to take the most radical approach to spice this discussion up.
