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Ban of burqa
Sup.
Writing this from my iPod with mega slow connection so I can't be arsed to provide sources (would be nice if someone did it for meh) but I know it's an ongoing debate in Europe. Recently I heard they are going through with it in england. So yeah. What do toribashians think?

Personally I am in favor, despite normally having liberal views. Reason being the security issues that come with allowing people to conceal their identity in public, and few articles of clothing do it better than burqas I think. If I wore a hockey mask and a hood in a public place I would be asked to take it off, and pointing to the fact that it is an ancient (insert cult) tradition would not suffice to keep it on. I am fine with burqas being worn on private properties, houses of worship or Halloween, however
Originally Posted by Xtreme View Post
The burqa should be banned in places only where it would be a hazard to the wearer and people around; i.e., in a McDonalds, where the long garment could snag on a fat fryer and easily splash on other workers, or in a factory environment, where it could easily be caught in machinery. The workplace should be a religion-free environment anyway, so that's the only place I could think of where it would actually be necessary to ban them.

What about places like department stores or banks? If I was a worker there I would be unnerved to see someone whose whole upper body is concealed walking in. It would render them immune to security camera tapes should they commit a crime and escape. Hell, you can't even tell if it's a woman under there or a man, making identifying them that much more difficult.
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 17, 2010 at 09:45 PM.
Originally Posted by Rutten View Post
Perhaps middle eastern women don't just wear the burqas because their law tells them to? Perhaps they wear it because the believe that they should wear it because of their religion. We're sort of venturing into individual rights here. As a believer in negative liberty I believe it's their right not be interferred with. Let them wear their silly little cloths.


Well, my religious traditions prompt me to wear a gun on me at all times. Preventing me from doing so ( be it in airport or white house) is a gross violation of my god-given rights and leaves me deeply offended. Too bad I live in a society and I must compromise some of my own traditions/whims if they are detrimental to safety of others.
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM.
Originally Posted by Rutten View Post
Your religion requires you to carry a gun on your person at all times? It's great that you put forth these little scenarios. But they're just that, scenarios. A gun is a weapon, a burqa is not.

Errr...and? Both compromise safety.

Here's another one: my religion tells me to smoke a strong hallucinogenic plant every few hours because it elevates my consciousness and gets me closer to god. Scenarios are endless.
Originally Posted by Rutten View Post
You can't fire a projectile through someones skull with a burqa. Nor can you smoke it. So stop contrasting a burqa to them.

And? I thought I explained in detail how burka can compromise public safety, much like that same herb or a gun (obviously to a lesser extent, but nevertheless)
So, I feel we have established that it can be a threat. The question is whether it's enough of a threat to ban in public places.
To me - yes.
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 17, 2010 at 10:56 PM.
Originally Posted by Rutten View Post
Odlov feels threatened by burqas. Do you often find your self threatened by articles of clothing Odlov?

No, only when they completely conceal someones identity in public.
Fnugget: I can't directly harm anyone on the Internet, so anonymity here is ok.

Originally Posted by KiTFoX View Post
That has got to be the most ridiculous reasoning I've ever heard. What the fuck does a criminal planning a fucking bank heist care if his face-concealing burqa is illegal. He has a gun with no license in his pocket, as do his friends. Limitations like that do not matter to a criminal intending to knock off a bank. Even if it was outlawed, and you saw a woman walking into a bank with one on you wouldn't think much of it. "It's against the law, she must have just transferred here."

By restricting clothing you only hold back the law-abiding citizens. This is the dumbest shit I've heard in quite some time.

At least a man with stocking on his head would immediately be recognized as a threat anywhere, and wouldn't have a luxury of conspicuousness.
Public appearances where you interact with actual people should not be anonymous, it's not the internet.

Good point regarding the bank robber though.
Last edited by Odlov; Jan 17, 2010 at 11:52 PM.