Originally Posted by Odlov
You fail to consider a simple fact that God isn't just "some guy" who happens to know everything. He is the sole designer of Jimmy and all his actions. Jimmy is an actor who unknowingly plays his role in God's movie.
Reflecting on the point, if God created Jimmy, and everything about him, and god created everyone around jimmy, then god made all the factors, and jimmy is just a puppet in god's game.
Agreeing with your point now, I just wanted to attempt to play the devil's advocate >.<
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Creati0n says: still my favorite. <3
I sacrificed my firstborn for this great human being to join (M) ~R
Just Use Thunder!
I was just going to pull a quote off that deleted post but instead I'm going to just rant my major objection to all discussion that relate to 'god' or religion.
Some one always comes out with something about "the truth" as if they're correct.
Each to their own, religion is a belief etc but don't be coming out saying that your religion is "the truth" cos simply put it isn't. You can't prove that you're right until after you're dead, and that's not going to achieve anything. Seriously.
Believe whatever you like, but don't be telling people that it's "the truth". That's a fallacy if I've ever seen one.
Some one always comes out with something about "the truth" as if they're correct.
Each to their own, religion is a belief etc but don't be coming out saying that your religion is "the truth" cos simply put it isn't. You can't prove that you're right until after you're dead, and that's not going to achieve anything. Seriously.
Believe whatever you like, but don't be telling people that it's "the truth". That's a fallacy if I've ever seen one.
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Originally Posted by Ragdollmaster
From my earlier points: Satan was created as a perfect angel who supposedly defected. From another of my earlier points, God lives/exists in the present and only predicts certain things. It's not like he purposely created Satan to cause havoc for mankind until his ass gets handed to him.
Saying that god can not predict the future puts a giant limit on his abilities. If that is in fact the case, i would argue he is no longer omnipotent or omniscient.
Imagine this scenario:
One of god's goals is to preserve mankind.
God creates a man named Bob. Since god can only consider present factors and is not able to infer the future, he doesn't know that in 40 years Bob will cause a nuclear holocaust and end mankind's existence. What kind of omnipotence is that? He doesn't even have the knowledge (and ability) to securely reach his own goals.
Originally Posted by ThatNGuy
I only have a problem with this one^
um since when did the creator of the universe be bound by the 'laws' of it?
I admitted that the argument was only as good as those that take universal laws and apply them to pre-universal conditions.
It is merely meant to highlight yet another known fact that god's existence contradicts.
Originally Posted by Ragdollmaster
As a note to Odlov, before you post: I both respect and value your opinion as you're arguably one of the most intelligent users on this forum. While I don't fully agree with you, I would like to ask you to keep an open mind; how can you argue about, say, scriptural interpretation if you don't even believe in the Bible's credibility? As a rough (and pretty unfitting) metaphor, how can I prove to you that 2 + 2 = 4 if you don't believe in math? You have your reasons for your beliefs, and you're pretty firmly entrenched in them from what I can see, but it wouldn't hurt to extend them out a bit, would it? You don't have anything preventing you from doing so, do you?
Thanks for the compliment.
I don't have to believe a text to analyze it. In fact, wouldn't the analyzing part have to come first, before me taking a particular stance? Sure. It would be foolish of me to dismiss it off hand and risk eternity in hell. I'm willing to bet every atheist who knows what's good for him has done his share of evidence-weighing.
Comparing mathematics and a text isn't a very good analogy, tbh
I will extend my views when/if i see enough reason to do so ;)
Last edited by Odlov; Feb 6, 2010 at 04:52 AM.
Originally Posted by SkulFuk
I'm just gonna drunkenly interject with the argument I produced at school all those years ago:
"I can't see electricity, but I can see what it does. I can't see 'God', and I sure as fuck can't see it doing anything."
That instantly served as a STFU back then and still does now.
Fucking win
Also, odlov, I wish you luck, but I can only see this thread being decent for a few more hours, probably when you fall asleep or something, an then it will be over run with shite. Again, best of luck, and I admire your optimism here, but something I have known for a bit and that has been hammered home by these forums is that you cannot argue logic against belief's.
HOWEVER, I was also once a believer, and it was in no small part thanks to the wise words of others that I began to question things...so good luck fighting the good fight.
EDIT damnit! I couldn't resist the debate :/
Originally Posted by Boonana
Satan was never meant to be the devil.
Satan was a angel who thought he could be better then god.
And 1/3 of the other angels thought he was right.
So he threw them out of heaven and the angels that went with him are demons.
So God made a mistake?
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Originally Posted by m0o
Can we keep the threads where intellectuals contemplate the existence of god in one thread? I don't mean to sound like a bitch but it makes you look like a fucking enormous twat.
You can't prove god and you can't disprove it. State your belief and fuck off.
While that sounds all good and peachy in theory, there are so many separate arguments dealing with the issue that it would be impossible to ram them all into one thread. Just the last section of my OP can easily become a separate thread.
Those of you who don't enjoy the discussion or find it annoying - don't let me keep you here a moment longer
Originally Posted by sprooj
ITT: Odlov trying to get his massive ego stroked once more. One thread is enough.
Sigh....What "one thread"?
