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Bottom line is: the notion of "sacredness of life" stemmed from simple self-interest.
Just look how very selective we are with this whole "life is sacred" business. One just needs to look in his salad bowl and his hamburger. Your very body is evolved to kill life (bacteria) with each breath you take.

While i don't believe in any objective value of life, i do realize that we all have certain common interests, namely to survive and be happy. I try to respect these interests.
However, when i have reason to believe that a sacrifice can bring much more overall happiness, I would carry through with it.

PS: not saying we should invade Ugada or anything - I think there are better ways to bring change about.
its been done for thousands of years why should it change now? is it because mainstream society doesnt like it? probbably but its what they do...mayans did it....maybe they go willlingly? not enough info in that article......maybe the need meat cuz they are dying of starvation?
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Originally Posted by Onamist View Post
People who judge these people fail to realise that in their culture it is perfectly acceptable to do these things. I'm sure that if people from these supposedly 'savage' countries saw some the things that happen in our 'civilized' society, they too would be shocked and outraged.

Originally Posted by Stickicide View Post
MY POINT EXACTLY


Firstly, it's not "perfectly acceptable" in their culture, which you would have known had you read the article.
Secondly, you would rather have innocent people slaughtered than disturb someone's precious 'culture'? Some priorities you got.

England: hey USA, Nazi Germany is like....killing all their Jews. Messed up, man.
USA: and?? Leave them alone - it's their culture! You bigots.
Last edited by Odlov; Apr 7, 2010 at 05:13 PM.
Originally Posted by CyberVirus View Post
Sometimes I don't understand some religions.
So, you're a better men for killing someone? Is that what sacrifice means?
No one has the right to take someone's life, sacrifice isn't a reason.

What's not to understand?
Human and animal sacrifice is an ancient practice. People believed that when they destroyed something valuable, their gods would take it and in turn protect them or grant them their wishes.

To understand the motive isn't hard.
Originally Posted by CyberVirus View Post
I just don't understand where they pulled that from.
"If I sacrifice someone, the gods will protect me"
I mean, sacrificing animals makes a bit more sense but still...
Seriously, so they believe their "gods" will grant them something if they take someone's life in stupid rituals?
What type of gods would they be...

Same place all such convictions are pulled from.
Many people in developed countries also believe that if you recite certain passage in your head, you will get help from some "god". Those same people also believe that if you don't believe their god exists, he will burn you forever. Is that so different?
The only difference is in the action that must be performed to get the favor of said "god".
Originally Posted by SuicideDo View Post
america has faith in science.

because science can be tested, observed, weighed, studied.

And because empirical inquiry is the only reliable method we have for obtaining knowledge about the universe. Logic and reasoning help, but all they can offer are predictions of what ought be the case given our current empirical knowledge. Our logic serves empiricism, and is continuously altered by it. (read: every big scientific breakthrough changed what we consider logical).


Study of the human emotion spectrum, thought itself, and even the matter of faith, are difficult, and off putting.

Study of human emotion and thought is a part of neuroscience (psychology too, but neuroscience more so), and is very much based on empirical data. Same goes for study of every other product or behavior of the human brain.

it's easier to have faith in something you can see and test, than to have faith in something you can only wait and see.

In a religious context, faith means confidence in something without any tangible evidence. So by applying the word faith to scientific method you are treading on thin ground.

But both are equally a matter of faith and not fact, for the fact of the matter is: there is no necessary reason that we *HAVE TO* advance ourselves, progress our technology, improve our scientific understanding of hte world.

...What?

there is no evidence that we have to do anything except be born and die (we really dont have a choice in either of those).

We don't have to do bloody anything. We want to do something to better our conditions and fulfill our desires.

So what do you care what happens between birth and death? why do you care? because you can.

....I just want to slap you in the mouth.
Last edited by Odlov; Apr 10, 2010 at 07:03 PM.
Originally Posted by Katsuya View Post
Who cares if people are dying? If it isn't now, you'll just die later.

So you are ok with me hunting you down and cutting your heart out for my god Jawumba? I mean, you'd die anyway eventually.
Originally Posted by Katsuya View Post
Yeah, sure. If I didn't die now, I'd always die later, so who cares?

And you wouldn't mind being deprived of all the pleasures life could still bring you, and the pain which my ceremonial kill would undoubtedly cause you and your family?

Interesting. You should volunteer to go to Africa. There are gods that need appeasing there.
Last edited by Odlov; Apr 12, 2010 at 03:59 AM.
Originally Posted by Katsuya View Post
Fate controls your life and when your death will be. If it was fate for me to piss you off and lead to my death, then it was my time to die weather it was moral or not.

Doesn't explain why you should adopt defeatist attitude and not try to prevent undesirable happenings. If you could prevent me from hunting you down and killing you, then I guess me killing you wasn't "fated" after all.

From your posts it seems like you have a deathwish.
This is sick
this is completely utterly inhumane and i would never support a thing such as that i would hope that they proscute who did that i would personally put the person that did that in jail....