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Originally Posted by Pixies2 View Post
does this "transhuman" undergo all of said processes(i.e...metabolism, maintain homeostasis...)? probably not.

The bottom line is that it cannot be deemed life until it can undergo these processes...

So, is he an inanimate object? It's either or.
I suggest you read the stanford article i linked to PID.
Originally Posted by Pixies2 View Post
It's still not life dude...not until the definition is met...

A trans-human wouldn't meet biological definition, but calling him inanimate is ridiculously retarded.

A split in definition is needed, then. Organic life, and synthetic life.
Originally Posted by PlayerID666 View Post
Umm, so, just because it has solar panels doesn't mean it's self-sustaining.

Why? It can absorb energy to fuel the processes which allow it's existence. Cognition, motor function, sensory processes, etc. Hypothetically it can repair itself, and build replicas (modified or not). It could have an argument with you, or terminate your existence. How would you categorize such an entity, if it has a human mind?

Also, having examined your article, it doesn't actually say anything that backs you up really.

In fact: "Work in A-Life shifts our focus on the processes in living things rather than the material constituents of their structures per se (Emmeche 1994)."

Maybe it's just too subtle for you to pick up.

"Their goal is to place life as it is known on earth in a larger conceptual context of any possible forms of life (Langton 1989, 1995). Work in A-Life shifts our focus on the processes in living things rather than the material constituents of their structures per se."


You may notice all the qualifiers I gave involve processes, not "material constituents."

What you listed are indeed processes, but what about larger conceptual context? If an organism lacks 1 of those, is it then not alive? What if it lacks 2 of those? For a biologist, the line may be clear. Philosophically, it is much more arbitrary.
Well, no shit, son.
You are asking if something can be applied to an arbitrarily defined term when it doesn't fit those definitions.
Yes, if you change how you define it, it can fit.
Then again, so can a rock.
Life has a definition, and you can either accept that, or not.
If you accept that definition, then no, it isn't. If you don't like that definition, then it is entirely possible to redefine it, sure. But you are asking "is this life?" instead of "should the definition of life include this?"

Life has a definition, yes, and not just one.

Perhaps i didn't phrase my question in the best manner, but it should have been pretty clear from my posts that i wasn't asking whether a synthetic organism qualifies as "living" from biological standpoint (what kind of question would that be?), and instead inquiring about the workable abstract definition of life.