Yeah you're not the only one saying stuff. This is from the smod board.
I don't see the need to be strict like everyone wants us to because it's not actually hurting anything. At the moment I'm even thinking people are just saying this stuff cause they don't trust us to do the job. Then again, they don't have much reason to either.
But getting to the actual topic. I don't think we really want to keep all these clans who claim to be "rebuilding".
The other thing is, we have official clans which are dead but their boards are never being removed. Mad, Rawr, guru... I think it would be good to just hide the boards, while keeping them open for the members to post in. That would leave visible the clans which would actually participate in events or what ever...
And all that stuff about the council, I shouldn't matter how many times a clan is allowed to apply. Just so long they know why they didn't make it, and so long the council is consistant then it isn't a problem.
Edit: Just fixed the DSC titles. Gives us a nice index of tags and clan names for unofficial clans now.
While we're on the subject: it took me a half hour to run through all the clan boards and delete incredibly spam threads, and I bet new ones have sprung up already. It's a great place to post-whore.
I honestly haven't seen clan admins do anything at all.
Oh, except make their own terrible DSC that insults the whole clan community and then use their position to try and push it to official.
Given clans like Kingdomz that struggle on and try to whore official status, I would recommend just not letting DSC's reapply more than, say, twice.
Why do users even need to put a DSC tag? Isn't absolutely every non-sticky thread in that board a DSC?
I don't see the need to be strict like everyone wants us to because it's not actually hurting anything. At the moment I'm even thinking people are just saying this stuff cause they don't trust us to do the job. Then again, they don't have much reason to either.
But getting to the actual topic. I don't think we really want to keep all these clans who claim to be "rebuilding".
The other thing is, we have official clans which are dead but their boards are never being removed. Mad, Rawr, guru... I think it would be good to just hide the boards, while keeping them open for the members to post in. That would leave visible the clans which would actually participate in events or what ever...
And all that stuff about the council, I shouldn't matter how many times a clan is allowed to apply. Just so long they know why they didn't make it, and so long the council is consistant then it isn't a problem.
Edit: Just fixed the DSC titles. Gives us a nice index of tags and clan names for unofficial clans now.
Last edited by Fish; Mar 22, 2011 at 12:13 AM.
Fix this once and for all. Tweaking the rules and enforcing them is lame. Lets do something cool instead.
What I want is, to redefine what a good clan is. Something which is a bit more serious than one which is simply active, or one with legendary people in it. So, a good clan is one which kicks ass. If we get people taking this a bit more seriously, they'll understand why having your members post 50 times a day doesn't make a good clan etcetera.
Firstly I'd like to see unofficial clans with toriclans. This goes with what Delaid said when toriclans came back. If an unofficial clan is working as a team to participate in an event, then it is only logical that they get a toriclan which allows them to be identified by their tag ingame and on the forums, and then the toriclan system give them a rank against their compeditors. (This requires 2 changes to the toriclan system. The adition of the events points category which we discussed earlier, and the ability for the clan link next to you post count to link to a thread for unofficial clans.)
There are two aspects of clans which I'm looking at here, working as a team otherwise there's no point in the group (may as well use skype, it's illogical to use forums for that) and they're a group of friends, otherwise they wont stick together very long cause there wouldn't be very fun. So while we encourage them to compete, we be careful not to pust them too hard that they loose interest completely.
Now this is a suggestion for filtering out inactive clas. It does involve giving clans incentive to compete by threatening to remove their priveleges, but within good reason. Lets say we have 60 active clans, and 10 clans take part in clan events per month. Then it's reasonable to say to any clan, participate in at least one clan event every 6 months. That isn't over the top. As far as I'm concerned, a clan which can't manage that is a waste of space and brings into question why they even have a board. So we could then charge them for the privelege of keeping it, or just remove it. Of course we could be nice and give them a warning months in advance. OR just something less harsh. In a way, it's kinda balanced out by giving extra priveleges to unofficial clans.
Finally toriclan ranks. Since both unofficial clans and official clans will have ranks AND we wont just be looking at stats calculated mostly from how much TC a clan has, we'll be able to start using them. We could throw in a few little rules like, "if an unofficial clan can out rank 50% of the official clans, they get to apply for free"
This concludes my attempt to shorten my original post.
What I want is, to redefine what a good clan is. Something which is a bit more serious than one which is simply active, or one with legendary people in it. So, a good clan is one which kicks ass. If we get people taking this a bit more seriously, they'll understand why having your members post 50 times a day doesn't make a good clan etcetera.
Firstly I'd like to see unofficial clans with toriclans. This goes with what Delaid said when toriclans came back. If an unofficial clan is working as a team to participate in an event, then it is only logical that they get a toriclan which allows them to be identified by their tag ingame and on the forums, and then the toriclan system give them a rank against their compeditors. (This requires 2 changes to the toriclan system. The adition of the events points category which we discussed earlier, and the ability for the clan link next to you post count to link to a thread for unofficial clans.)
There are two aspects of clans which I'm looking at here, working as a team otherwise there's no point in the group (may as well use skype, it's illogical to use forums for that) and they're a group of friends, otherwise they wont stick together very long cause there wouldn't be very fun. So while we encourage them to compete, we be careful not to pust them too hard that they loose interest completely.
Now this is a suggestion for filtering out inactive clas. It does involve giving clans incentive to compete by threatening to remove their priveleges, but within good reason. Lets say we have 60 active clans, and 10 clans take part in clan events per month. Then it's reasonable to say to any clan, participate in at least one clan event every 6 months. That isn't over the top. As far as I'm concerned, a clan which can't manage that is a waste of space and brings into question why they even have a board. So we could then charge them for the privelege of keeping it, or just remove it. Of course we could be nice and give them a warning months in advance. OR just something less harsh. In a way, it's kinda balanced out by giving extra priveleges to unofficial clans.
Finally toriclan ranks. Since both unofficial clans and official clans will have ranks AND we wont just be looking at stats calculated mostly from how much TC a clan has, we'll be able to start using them. We could throw in a few little rules like, "if an unofficial clan can out rank 50% of the official clans, they get to apply for free"
This concludes my attempt to shorten my original post.
Last edited by Fish; Mar 22, 2011 at 09:55 AM.
Originally Posted by Uric
I would be happy to keep an up-to-date thread in a sticky within the clan events board for all clans to see that has recorded: those clans that have participated in an event over a six month period. Listing exactly which events, and which clan. On top of this, It can be reset half-yearly and continued. I'm thinking that after this period we will see a huge boost to the activity of clans. (great idea Fish).
Nah, I don't want it to be too cold. I think it's not something we should keep tabs on. More just if we suspect a clan is idling then we look into it. Or maybe just don't make it public.
Originally Posted by Uric
One down-side.
Seeing as we'll give a toriclan to un-official clans. There may be a heap of random ones made just so that people may be founders or have a new tag ingame. So, perhaps we only make a toriclan after that clan has been in Clan Discussion for over a week?
It's better to just give it to clans which are actively participating in events. At any rate, if they are going to show they are actively participating in events, such events would not all be in the same week. I doubt that will cause much trouble. If it does, we just add requirements to take part in events to filter out the... lesser clans.
Toriclans are more useful. Having ranks and a concept of fighting your way to the top is a key part of my plan. A manual system for it would be too much hassle.
We also want tags to keep their significance. Crux is also working on some new stuff for the tagging system anyway.
We also want tags to keep their significance. Crux is also working on some new stuff for the tagging system anyway.