i will get on Irc when i can. Tops yeah take a pic. And rik, I respect you for that. Heck I remember where i was. Sure I didnt see it, but i remember. I was in Mrs. Allen's second grade class watching Pinnocio (however you spell it) and my mom came to pick me up due to what happened. But this discussion is more for IRC but yeah Rik people neeed to remember.