Toribash
Originally Posted by Loruhamah View Post
Very informative ^_^. I've only done wushus a couple of times and I used my judo moves and failed... Epically...

judo and wushu dont come together and they are completely different. In wushu, we dont hit and run and tripod ourselves until the game ends like judo and you should use different moves for different mods.
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Infidel!
What they call random clicking is in fact random setting. Meaning that you are making a form of the opener but not by exact coping of openers that others already made or from the yotube, no. You are actually making your 'opener' live, from your experience and knowledge of how tori-body works.
What Snake calls 'random clicking' has enough randomness in it to look like that, but its actually more of the instinctual process of making new opener.
Mostly, ppl that copy moves and do openers using pre-set moves from the TB wikki or yotube, are lousy come-back makers. They do the opener, fly in some direction and they can't get back into fight, because they are not using their brain to form the knowledge of movement of the tori-body. Instead, they use their brain to memorize openers.
Without come-backs wushu isn't a fight, its a 'how far can I fly' mod.

There are some players that use both. Opener or variation, then improvisation, but those have played enough to apprehend the basic understanding of the tori movement. Since they know how to come back into fight (and that you can't learn copying openers) they are forgiven for using openers!

Basic understanding of the tori movement in wushu is best learned from 'random clicking'.
The fact that you (or some other ppl) DQ too much using it just means that learning curve is too steep in Toribash and you (or some other ppl) doesn't have patience. It takes time, but in the end you get it.
And when you get it, then you will understand how openers are inhibiting the freedom of fight in wushu through random settings.

I would just add that there is also a 'opener mimicking' thing. You study the most used opener and its variations, then you do the opener first turn, then randomly transform it to new setting, and by that surprise opponent.
Most ppl when they see some very popular opener, prepare themselves to defend from it in the second turn, then you surprise them with randomization!
Originally Posted by ShadowCut View Post
Random clicking is definitely NOT how you fight in wushu,random clicking just almost always gets you DQ'ed.

to begin with... check out Bojan's post

you can earn skill only by starting with random click because you learn how to avoid self dq, set up, control your tori, and eventually make a good comebacks ( comebacks is the most important part of wushu )

play some wushu3 / brushu and you will see.

also random click / improv is a good form at wushu.
Originally Posted by ShadowCut View Post
You need to have a good opener from the start and to worry about what area of the body is exposed and how to fix that and to monitor what area what your opponent is trying to attack.

if you really want people to laught at you when you can't do anything besides the opener, except flying away / kicking around like fish out the water in any random directions, then sure

but if you want to earn some skill, get some intense interesting matches, then you had to practice with random click and setups.

this is hard but it benefit. no1 said that it will be easy. relax all style is great and it will teach you how to controll your body, ( but this may be hard for beginners ) also reseting joints to relax all state on start of each turn is also a great way to improve your skills, ( and this is even harder )

EDIT:
added 2 more replays. both quite interesting
Attached Files
comebacks and setups 3.rpl (74.0 KB, 7 views)
comebacks and setups 4.rpl (118.3 KB, 7 views)
Last edited by snake; Nov 18, 2011 at 12:33 AM.
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Originally Posted by ShadowCut View Post
Random clicking is definitely NOT how you fight in wushu,random clicking just almost always gets you DQ'ed.You need to have a good opener from the start and to worry about what area of the body is exposed and how to fix that and to monitor what area what your opponent is trying to attack.

the parts that are bolded means that what you are saying is mostly wrong. i do random clicking all the time and it doesn't really get you dq'd if you look at the ghost correctly. you can do openers but most experienced players hate it when one uses an opener. they prefer "impro" as its fairer.
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Originally Posted by 17april View Post
need nice opener or really nice improvement to make enemies attack miss and we counter an attack

best solution - jump aside
or
you can always absorb the hit, if things goes absolutely wrong.

at such mods as wushu3 or brushu openers are not lethal, so you can always comeback and beat the shit outa your opponent ;)
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Last edited by snake; Mar 7, 2012 at 05:00 AM.
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