As by an athlete's view, smoking really bothers me. I have relatives that smoke, and by doing so it makes it really hard to be around them. The smell of it by my fit body just feels like a repellant.

As far as I know,(and as commercials try to convey by extremity) smoking can do some really bad things to your body. My question is, do you think smoking is worth a shorter life and possibly endangering the lives around you? What are your views about tobacco-like products in society, and although it is an addiction, people get a steady stream of money from the sales of cigarettes/the like, do you think could we afford to rid the world of it as well?

I'm peronally pretty skeptical about second hand smoking being a major health issue. Smokers generally try not to blow their smoke in people's face and far from children (at least I do), and even tho you'd inhale less thant 1/10 or 1/20 of the quantity of smoke a regular smoker does.
I understand the smell being repellant for non-smoking people tho.

But I think there are way worst substances we inhale everyday in our current atmosphere : car gaz, industrial rejections, chemical products etc... hell even barbecue causes cancer.
I'm not saying second-hand smoke is only bullshit, I'm saying I don't think it's the only cause of "breath" related cancers for non-smoking people.

I smoke reasonnably, I'm not one of those smoking a pack of cigarets daily. I think it's like any other substance, it's all about control and not smoking in excess. Humans have been doing drugs since the dawn of time afterall, it's his industrialisation that allows us to use more than reason allows.

And to asnwer your question : do you think smoking is worth a shorter life and possibly endangering the lives around you?

I personally think that smoking or not, we'll most likely get some cancer from something else considering our actual way of consuming industrial shitty stuff. And life can be shortened by so many things... accidents, unexpected diseases, bad choices, cataclisms, and in some countries : wars and bombings etc...
So I think smoking is a lesser problem for me, as long as it stays reasonnable and still allows me to do some sports without breathing issues, and if it does someday I'd probably cut back a lot. But then again, it's only my opinion.

I'm not sure Oracle is participating to the obesity discussion so I'll take a guess and take it for me ;p But I think you mixed up with some other dude.
I was precisely arguing you can't tell obese people to change their lives and judge them, they of course can and I'd encourage them if they feel like it's a problem for them, just like I'd encourage a smoker to quit smoking if he feels he has to. I'm not "pro-smoker", smoking is bad but around I think we're aware enough not to smoke near people bothered by cigarets, and I think we all have the right to choose how to fuck our health up.

And to make the link with obesity even further, just as tobacco companies aren't allowed to make TV advertisements for cigarets (around here at least), maybe food companies shouldn't be allowed to make advertisements for their crappy unhealthy food ;o

On a personnal note, I'm more of a cigaret smoker by default : I prefere smoking pot, and I actually smoke way less tobacco when I've some hash/weed in stock. If it was entirely up to me I'd grow my own shit and smoke sporadically to reduce my consumption to a minimum.

Now that you guys said it, I remind hearing/reading something about second hand smoke being more nocive at same quantity (10ml of 2ndhand smoke being more nocive than 10ml of the smoke someone directly inhale from a cigaret) ; And it sure is bad for people already having breathing issues and heart diseases, no questions asked. People just have to be "civil" and respect the fact some people don't want to breath our shit, but we have the right to dispose of our body as we wish imo.

But I still think car pollution and chemical rejections are more nocive than 2nd hand smoke.

I'm not saying you should ban smoking, in my personal opinion id rather just not have any smokers in my presence often. I agree with your last statement, its a sad thing to know that people purposely smoke around their children(even the ones in a stroller). As Oracle said, asthma and smoking is a bad mix, and smoking around children could cause just that, since their lungs are still developing.


I agree fully. Its just common courtesy.