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Pool on the "fair-play" in wushu-oriented mods.
Bumping / redirecting people into the TW forums.

http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=431950

We have a pool going where we want to see what the community thinks about the "recent" changes TW and fl0w amongst other wushu players have implemented as standards when it comes to "fair-play".

Now it would be nice to have you consider that the question is mainly aimed at wushu-oriented mods and then have you look at the current meta and compare it to the meta we had before we tried to implement this.

Everyones opinion is valued, so leave a comment if you want to.

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the only problem with serious wushu matches is that the fairplay only happens if both players agree not to exploit the bad design of the mod (which is not going to happen honestly).

if we're talking about casual play, then wushu is a pretty fun mod to play, and encouraging comebacks and all that stuff will indeed get you to learn more about the mod and how to stay alive.

but rather than try to change the players, you could try to popularize a wushu variant that would both be competitive and still fun to play during not so serious matches. for example, ynvaser's mod boxshu.tbm* is (in my opinion) probably the only wushu mod I would consider dueling in (I don't duel, but if I did then those would be my thoughts).

*I do realize that it would eliminate one of the most important parts of wushu, comebacks, since there's not much space inside of a box, but is there really a combination of space for comebacks and not running in default gravity? it would be amazing if someone managed to make a mod that didn't allow for people to fly away a million yards, but still left space for comebacks.


so all in all, I think that changing the mod would be more effective than trying to change the players, because unless it's a game rule, they will most likely not follow it and disrespect fairplay. encouraging comebacks is great for learning, but not so useful when they're playing for the win.
wushu is very fun for casual but I would be very happy if it became a competitive mod too. hopefully someone makes a variant that somehow allows for comebacks and still prevents people from jumping away easily.
oh yeah
Originally Posted by pusga View Post
the only problem with serious wushu matches is that the fairplay only happens if both players agree not to exploit the bad design of the mod (which is not going to happen honestly).

if we're talking about casual play, then wushu is a pretty fun mod to play, and encouraging comebacks and all that stuff will indeed get you to learn more about the mod and how to stay alive.

but rather than try to change the players, you could try to popularize a wushu variant that would both be competitive and still fun to play during not so serious matches. for example, ynvaser's mod boxshu.tbm* is (in my opinion) probably the only wushu mod I would consider dueling in (I don't duel, but if I did then those would be my thoughts).

*I do realize that it would eliminate one of the most important parts of wushu, comebacks, since there's not much space inside of a box, but is there really a combination of space for comebacks and not running in default gravity? it would be amazing if someone managed to make a mod that didn't allow for people to fly away a million yards, but still left space for comebacks.


so all in all, I think that changing the mod would be more effective than trying to change the players, because unless it's a game rule, they will most likely not follow it and disrespect fairplay. encouraging comebacks is great for learning, but not so useful when they're playing for the win.
wushu is very fun for casual but I would be very happy if it became a competitive mod too. hopefully someone makes a variant that somehow allows for comebacks and still prevents people from jumping away easily.

People find ways of playing cheap in every mod. (aikido, abd, lenshu3ng, wu/brushu, tk)

I think that changing the players is the better idea but uh..I find it hard to believe people won't play like dicks in duels.
Originally Posted by Yoyo View Post
I have a question.
Did people really introduce standards for mods?
Expected behavior?
Banned moves?

Serious question, first time I heard of this.

sportsmanship.
In duels and such on mods like Wushu, running can really decide if you win or not, I wouldn't expect anyone to abide by the "Fair-Play" rule when doing this, since the aim of a duel is to win right?
But for Casual games in Wushu I think "Fair-Play" should always be the idea, trying to get CBs etc, But i suppose If your not gonna Play Fair, then don't expect your opponent to.
Originally Posted by Dinis View Post
People find ways of playing cheap in every mod. (aikido, abd, lenshu3ng, wu/brushu, tk)

I think that changing the players is the better idea but uh..I find it hard to believe people won't play like dicks in duels.

you don't really need to "find" a way to play cheap in wushu, you basically touch your opponent's toe's electron and have enough damage to win as long as you jump away the next round, which I find easier to do rather than stay close to your opponent. it's right in your face when you play the mod for the first time and I'm sure most players did this to win before they were introduced to fair play.
oh yeah
My point is: making a new mod won't do shit, eventually there will be that one guy that knows how to dick out of it.
Originally Posted by Dinis View Post
My point is: making a new mod won't do shit, eventually there will be that one guy that knows how to dick out of it.

I disagree, there are obviously mods where it's not easy to dick out. While I'm not a huge fan of rkmma I still defend that it's not easy to run in that mod because of the ring, and there aren't many openers that can get you a huge amount of damage in the first round.
oh yeah
In casual play or not, people are still going to find a way to play cheap in any mod. Just because there's a ring or a box won't stop people from running in that ring or box. Granted they can't run easily, but with practice you'll soon have people who are legitametly good at running in a confined area.

This is speaking solely from experience. I'm in no way a wushu expert.

My two cents would be to try to enforce (using the word lightly). More like show people the correct, or better said sportsmanlike way to play wushu like mods. (Not abusing openers, cb'ing as much as you can, orthodox or not. And generally not being a dick to other players.)

In situations like tournaments and duels where people are more inclined to
"play to win" things like boxshu and wushu with a ring should definitely be applied. The dimensions of which are not for me to say.

Ideally everyone would just be sportsmanlike/honorable or whatever you want to call it, But eh.

Again, my opinion, I'm no wushu authority.

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i have no idea why it was brought to public part of the forum, since most of people who may be reffered as "wushu community" already are part eather of tw or 3 major wushu clans.

trying to be more objective is a good thing but throwing a very specific poll to public completely alien to any kind of wushu mods except may be mushu is not really a wise choice.

expecting a person who have no clue in specific question to skip it is naive. the most probable scenario is said person will just go through other people's opinions no matter how right/wrong it may be and cast the vote this way just because you asked them to do it.

idk what are you are thinking smog, but asking people unfamiliar with the mod about it's specifics have nothing to do with being correct other than dispersing the results.

you can pretty much do the very same thing by asking public opinion on quite specific thing of unknown for them random mod, let's say sumo.tbm and have the same dispersed results based on other people's opinions. which is the very common case considering the amount of players who specify on such unpopular mods like wushu or sumo, and based on average player's age.

meh, i see quite alot of people these days try to play justice white knights, well whatever, but try to be reasonable enough when you choose the target auditory which makes your pool.

expecting to see a public poll on hardware engineering matters on reddit from you next time lol

in short: when i expect to have someting meaningfull in result, i ask people who are familiar with the question.
when i want to see a model of crowd behaviour and / or unnecessary popularity contests, i spam it everywhere. ah wait, i don't.

offtopic: not being a dick, but all the tendency of trying to play white and fluffy justice democracy defenders on pretty much any discussion is getting on my nerves already. this is a game and the last thing you should think of is trying to look like the justice seeking holy angel. lol, you have a real life for all self-affirmation
Last edited by snake; Nov 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM.