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I would like to bring up capital punishment as well as juvenile convictions as adults.

Should capital punishment still be allowed in the United States?
Bear in mind that the US is the ONLY nation in the world still practicing capital punishment. My take is somewhat conservative in viewpoints despite the fact that I am a hardcore liberal Democrat. I believe that capital punishment should be used on all inmates incarcerated for life sentences. More money is spent on one prisoner per year than it takes to send a student to Stanford. This would mean a large cut on the cost of housing inmates that are otherwise just taking up unneeded space.

Should juveniles that have committed heinous crimes be convicted as adults?
My viewpoint on this topic is a bit more liberal, however. I believe that juveniles do not yet have the cogitative development to comprehend their actions and therefore should not have to face adult-like consequences.

Any opinions?
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Originally Posted by Risk View Post
First of all, it's not true that the US is the only nation which still practices capital punishment. Capital punishment is currently pracitced in Afghanistan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, China, Cuba, Egypt, Guatemala, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Lebanon, Malaysia, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tonga, United Arab Emirates, United States, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, and Yemen. As for your views on capital punishment, I can certainly appreciate an enthusiasm for it and I share a similar view. However, due to the fact that many inmates with life sentences are often either paroled or found to have been wrongfully convicted, I think the "all prisoners serving life sentences" thing should be limited to prisoners serving life sentences without chance of parole who have been incarcerated for at least five years. Now, that's not to say that none of the others deserve the death sentence or that the death sentence should be used exclusively in those cases. That's only if you want to lay down a blanket rule; which, for the record, I do support.

Oops, I meant to say that America is the only developed, high productivity economy nations. Many of the nations you listed are not considered developed. Syria is a prime example. Revolutionary war going on there. As far as I can see, the only one's that give merit to your argument are Japan, Russia, China, and South Korea. That does prove my statement wrong however so I will retract that. That was just something I heard through the grapevine in my economics class.

Originally Posted by Risk
No. Never. It defeats the purpose of having separate convictions for minors versus adults. Even if the minor does have a clear and malicious intent behind their crime, there's no reason to make a mockery of the exact nature of the law by allowing this term to be so flexible and imprecise. This is dumb.

I would have to agree with this one.
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Okay, I said there are exceptions if you actually read what I posted closer. I said China, South Korea, and Russia could be defined as 1st world nations. The rest is all up to debate. Even Russia can be debatable. They're not exactly in the best economic situation right now.
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True but Brazil has a much larger disparity of wealth. From this:

Those with money.


To this:

Those without money.


Not saying the U.S. doesn't have these problems as well but they are MUCH more severe in Brazil. It could be classified as 3rd world in some places and 1st world in others but as for the majority, the people do not have nearly the same high standard of living as America.
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Originally Posted by Toolfree View Post
Counter example: Now, I won't say that this country isn't pour in parts,

Originally Posted by Toolfree View Post
this country isn't pour in parts,

Originally Posted by Toolfree View Post
isn't pour

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pour

win
This is a serious discussion, Soap! Stop making me LOL!

Anyway, Tool, your counter example doesn't work.
Originally Posted by Toolfree
home to one of the world's richest cities, Dubai

That's one city. Does EVERYONE in country live in that city? No.
The majority of America lives WAY above rest of the world's standard of living. Start with our military as well for starters:

Does that look like the rest of the world is rich? It doesn't to me.
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Originally Posted by Twilight View Post
This is a serious discussion, Soap! Stop making me LOL!

Anyway, Tool, your counter example doesn't work.

That's one city. Does EVERYONE in country live in that city? No.
The majority of America lives WAY above rest of the world's standard of living. Start with our military as well for starters:

Does that look like the rest of the world is rich? It doesn't to me.


The issue with that argument is that America is incredible indebted. So using the argument that we spend more on protection we technically don't even need is kinda a moot point.
If you really look at it, the large majority of America is the same way, as well. Lots of little towns without much money to spend on much of anything. The only point you've technically brought up is that you cannot use ONE city as a guideline to a country's wealth.


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And you're saying that other nations are not leveraged out like America is with immense debt?
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No, I'm not saying that other countries aren't struggling with debt (even though America isnt exactly TRYING to resolve their debts), I'm saying that America is easily in the deepest hole. Other countries aren't building an army or doing large projects because they realize they don't need/afford it. And then there's us the good old USA, running around throwing our money into an investment that's ultimately forcing our country into an economic standstill. We dont need this stuff, we just waste it to show that we're the "best," and not to mess with us. And if this rant told you nothing, it's that we're pretty much the opposite.


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