Toribash
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Dismembering a Relaxed Body
So I recently heard that dming uke when he's relaxed is much easier than when he's held. I'm not really sure what to believe because I've tried getting a dm on a laxed body and it was extremely hard for me. Maybe its coincidental. Tips would be great.
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Originally Posted by Dscogs View Post
Then again, if you hit the joints and they're extended/contracted to the point where they can't go any further, it's really easy since it's almost the same as holding the joints.

not really, in uke's initial position the only joints that have that happen to them are the elbows, knees and wrists. the rest are just in between the minimum and maximum sorta.

on theory, dming a joint should be easier when it's held, but tb physics don't really work like that. since the time in toribash goes by frames and not actual time, if you gather enough speed you can actually penetrate inside uke's joints from one frame to another and the impact will only register after the second frame. because of that, you can't really compare hitting uke when it's held to hitting a block of wood, it's more like hitting a block of wood from the block's inside. when you're hitting something in that (weird) manner, it doesn't matter if you're hitting a block of wood or rubber, the force and damage would be the same (since it's from the inside and it would "rip" both materials apart instead of having the damage just be from the superficial hit(if you were to hit the surface of the rubber the waves of force would refract everywhere and adapt to them, taking the hit without that much damage)). so if the damage is the same for both, wouldn't then it be the same to dm joints when they're relaxed or held? well, relaxed joints are also prone to stretching, and that's what (I think) makes them easier to dm.

what i just said makes no sense btw
oh yeah
Im serious, dont take my word on that. I just gathered a feel from the replaymaking that ive done that relaxed joints are easier to dm and felt like i couldnt post here without making up some sort of explanation.
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Originally Posted by Dscogs View Post
I meant the joints that aren't already extended to the max, or if in the middle of a replay they go into the midway point.
It's always easier to dm a joint if it's being pushed past it's stretching limit rather then with brute force, if that makes any sense.

ah, ok. I just assumed we were talking initial position because i dont see where else youd find a held joint on uke after the first dm unless its mp. And yes it does make sense.
Last edited by pusga; Jan 20, 2014 at 11:55 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
oh yeah
So to sum almost everything up, it doesn't make a difference as to whether or not uke is held or relaxed. It just depends on what you are doing. If a joint is stretched to it's limit it should be easier to dm. Doing this should be easier while the body is relaxed since they are prone to stretching. If I got anything wrong tell me so I can understand it a little better.

And pusga, your reply made perfect sense to me.
Ryan is Straight {TGS} {Videoer} {Artist} Rip Dog
Originally Posted by Irrita View Post
So to sum almost everything up, it doesn't make a difference as to whether or not uke is held or relaxed. It just depends on what you are doing. If a joint is stretched to it's limit it should be easier to dm. Doing this should be easier while the body is relaxed since they are prone to stretching. If I got anything wrong tell me so I can understand it a little better.

And pusga, your reply made perfect sense to me.

i guess thats it, but you gotta get a feel for it. like noob said, its situational and depends on position, penetration (if you manage to hit the very surface of one of ukes joints then it might be easier to break while held) and all that gibberish. just make lots of replays and you will eventually form your own opinion based on experience
Last edited by pusga; Jan 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM.
oh yeah