As the title says. GMs don't seem to give a shit about things aimed at the lower belts, whether it be server sitting or low belt tourneys (before you start on the tourneys, don't tell me it's impossible to at least filter a fraction of people using alts: siku used to do it manually. Do a script.). I think it's needed.

When I was a GM I helped a lot with new players and how to move their Tori's. Who says the rest don't either. Take for example Hxcbbqimo(now Dr.Hax) he was a GM, now he has a YouTube channel helping a range of toribashians, ESPECIALLY the newbies.

I agree, it may be too much of a workload for them at this point, but trust me, it will get better.

And what exactly is going to make it better? They killed off UT like 2 years ago. They had plenty of time to integrate the new tasks into their workload, which they did not.

*bumpity-bump*
I'm still wondering what's up with this. With the steam release, low-belt tourneys would be quite popular.

No, they won't be.
I've seen these "low belt tournaments" at the time UT was up and they were consisting of 13 players max with half of them being UT hosters' friends on alts. Static automated tournaments is enough for all the new players, there are now 15 of them.

Serversitting has been the only good thing that UT did until most of the members stopped giving a shit about it (why whine GMs now that they're not doing it eh?). It takes a lot of patience and it gets dull after a week. If someone from the current staff serversit at least once a week, everyone who cares about newcomers should be grateful for that.

Anyway, keeping UT or making GMs nurse the whitebelts won't have any significant effect as they cannot get to all the new players. There are already a few good tutorials in Steam which are way easier to reach, even they are more helpful than a bunch of people popping up on one of beginner rooms once a day (remember that we now have almost 70 of them, would you hire ~700 UT members to cover at least half of the time?).

It's in your job description, not mine. I'd do it myself, but it has been made clear that my services aren't needed.


Well said.


If you guys implemented some steam account-based authentication system, it'd be possible to filter this. Most new players come from steam these days. That would also make it possible for siblings to partake in tournaments without getting flagged for multiclienting.


In my experience, they were just as popular as GMTourneys themselves. There were a few alts, but see above.


Make it a part of their quota. It's not pure volunteer work anymore. You can expect them to do what they signed up for.


Not having sociopaths do server sitting would help quite a bit in that aspect. I found it quite relaxing to be honest.


No need. Having a few people (at once) server sit regularly, announced via globals would spread the word that this is a thing. It'd also create a more 'accessible' image for the GMs.
It's also a lot more direct. There's no risk of asking a "stupid" question, just to have one of the meaner staff members give a "witty" answer, since they are there to help in the first place.

As I remember, me and some guy named Assazin were pretty active, hosting and server sitting on a regular basis. That's why we were allowed to join the GMs as trials.


I think TB needs a Uniteam. Not much I can do about that other than yap about it. You are the people with the resources and the ability to effortlessly bring projects into reality, so I find it quite ridiculous that suddenly it's my fault for not doing something about it.
If I were to host, that would cost me actual, hard cash, unlike you. I'm just a regular player, and this is the place for suggestions.


Why do we need a Godsquad to do events? Isn't that a GM's job as well?

Not trying to be harsh here, real life takes a priority. But if the job is too much, just recruit more people to even the workload, and don't deflect it to regular players to do your work. If you think that server sitting isn't important, just create a group where volunteers do just that. Whiiich brings me back to square one. *points at topic's title*

I'll have to talk with other people about it, so please don't regard this as any sort of official seal of approval of the idea:

It's been said copious times that Toribash's lack of success doesn't stem from people not trying out Toribash, but rather the steep curve making the retention rate of new players abysmal. This was one of the major reasons why I decided to create a formalized staff orchestrated YouTube channel where we could control the content and bring aide to new players learning the ropes from topics like "Why use the forums?" to "How do I improve at X mod?".

The GMs by far have the largest plate/load to handle than any other staff position. Risk knowing this, has obviously taken an initiative to increase the amount of GMs with this huge recruitment you see going on in the news, whilst also taking interviews, and even offering incentives for hard work and active hosting. I don't think adding server sitting to the list of their duties is a solid idea, and thus I like the idea of having a group in charge of it.

The problem lies with who these people will be. Typically mature, responsible, intelligent, and active members that are interested in helping the community are applying for GM. If they aren't a GM, it's usually because they were rejected for one or more rational applicable reasons. Because the team your proposing would be the real first direct staff encounter between new players and staff, we'd want to hold this group to an incredibly high standard (that's why the new GM team is so important). As it stands now the GM team IS the frontline to new players first interactions with Toribash staff.

And all of that sort of exhibits my concern: the people who have the personality, maturity, and experience to trust them with the serversitting job are the GMs. The GMs have a load of work on their plate as is, and while we're doing a great job of actively recruiting more staff, there really is only so many widely accepted applicants out there that the team agrees could be a valuable asset.




All of that being said: I think you raise some valid concerns and moving forward with the GM team I think Risk more than likely (although I don't want to speak for him as that'd be completely out of place) has this sort of thing in mind and once he holds the resources, would probably invest more into server sitting. So thanks for opening the topic.

We tryed to avoid alts in "low belt tourneys", we used to check IPs after the tourneys and block all alts for future tourneys.

Serversitting was really good in my opinion, I used to help a lot of people but If you want to do that again, you need the right people, that's not an easy job at all!

That could be useful to show forums/tutorials and teach some basics about toribash.

But ye, we had alot of inactive members...

I've been doing serversitting for 1 hour per day during some months, I've never got bored, that depends of the people...
But like the other staff positions, It's possible to recruit more people to keep it active.