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Ray Rice
Okay, very out of context for us toribashers.

I personally think that the Ray rice incident was extremely funny.
Not necessary the fact he hit his wife, but the way he did it and went about the situation was ideally funny.

For those who have not already seen the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbwTMJroTbI <--------- the link is here.

I'm kinda curious to see the wide spread reaction of everyone else, so I guess start discussing ?
Last edited by TheLostCarrot; Sep 10, 2014 at 12:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
He hit his fiancee. Spousal abuse is a serious issue that merits punishment.


Plus, from a physical standpoint, this is a 200 pound, 5'8" man who can supposedly bench press 400 pounds hitting a woman that probably weighs between 100-150 pounds, and knocking her unconscious. He has been hit harder playing football than he will ever be hit by his now wife. His actions are entirely unjustified, even if she hit first, as he is in no real threat from his fiancee at the time. His actions appear to only be an exertion of dominance through force.

I mean, I wanna know from the guys of toribash. What would you do in this situation? Like really ask yourself and think about it.... from an unbiased perspective, would you really sit there and take the abuse regardless of the punishment he receives from football. He gets payed to take that punishment, not to be physically hit by a woman [Not defending his actions just looking at both perspectives]

Also note that this was at a casino, so intoxication may play a factor in both their actions.
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
He should have sucked it up and taken it.

People need to realize that this isn't a microcosm for double standards against men with assault. It is irrelevant in the situation that women are capable of committing assault, or than women are treated differently from men when it comes to charges of assault.

Assault is assault, it doesn't matter if women get lighter penalties for committing it,

First, Would you just suck it up and take it? Regardless of physical. stature

Your argument seems extremely biased, because the definition of Justice is EQUAL execution of law for both sexes of all races, and what you are saying is not justice.

Third, You continue to look bias, because it isn't irrelevant when it comes to women being treated differently. It most certainly is a double standard if a woman does not get equal charges for the same crime ?
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Originally Posted by Oracle View Post
Self-defense is legal, but the grounds for it are very clear. Was the force used appropriate for the threat? Unarmed 100-150 lb woman, who is your fiancee, has hit you, a 200 pound man capable of lifting 400 lb. The threat is minimal, so the amount of force necessary is minimal. She won't hit you anywhere near as hard as you can hit her, she will almost certainly stop before any physical harm is possible considering the relationship and severity of the argument. In addition, you have the option to retreat before any real harm can be done, or physically restrain the attacker without resorting to harm. The force used is not appropriate to the force presented.

How do you know what the argument was about? How do you know she couldn't break his nose, or knock out a tooth of his. I honestly think you aren't looking from both perspectives....
Last edited by TheLostCarrot; Sep 10, 2014 at 06:36 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
I didn't know the US had a law like this.

So I can go around punching people who are stronger than me as much as I like and they can't do shit about it? That's hilarious. If someone's wearing body armor can I shoot them then say "I'm not wearing body armor so no backsies!"?

In Australia punching someone is punching someone, regardless as to who is stronger. Though we do have considerations for self-defense, so because she was charging at him and he was backing up, he would probably get some concession.

In Canada and you're a dude and hit a big dude and he hit back, you'd get in trouble and he was doing nothing but defending himself.

Hahaha, don't shoot people, no matter where in the world it's illegal.

Now 200 pound football player would have no trouble subdueing me even though I too could lay out his wife. He didn't have to punch her. This man is a football player. To think this scrawny woman could injure a man who has gone through extensive training and weightlifting as well as getting tackled all the time is absurd. He's tough physically, like very tough. She has nails, 2 pound arms, and a body of 100 pounds. She would need a weapon. NEED it to do any harm.
Last edited by T0ribush; Sep 10, 2014 at 07:59 PM.
Originally Posted by T0ribush View Post
In Canada and you're a dude and hit a big dude and he hit back, you'd get in trouble and he was doing nothing but defending himself.

Hahaha, don't shoot people, no matter where in the world it's illegal.

Now 200 pound football player would have no trouble subdueing me even though I too could lay out his wife. He didn't have to punch her. This man is a football player. To think this scrawny woman could injure a man who has gone through extensive training and weightlifting as well as getting tackled all the time is absurd. He's tough physically, like very tough. She has nails, 2 pound arms, and a body of 100 pounds. She would need a weapon. NEED it to do any harm.

If he didn't do anything, their is definitely a possibility with enough aggression she could harm him physically. He is TOUGH not Iron Man.
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Guys although he did hit a woman, he did actually have a valid reason. I'm not saying abuse is good but when all I see is feminists/other females wanting equality then this should be deemed a correct response but since it was a female he's getting punished. Since I like to avoid conflict I'd most likely just ask why she did it but if I wasn't a pacifist then I'd take my anger too seriously and just do the same. P.S The punch that knocked her down was technically for self-defence, he hit her once then she charged in so he hit her again, its only because she was coming in at such speed that she was knocked out. Technically it was her fault though. EDIT: However though if you're going to hit someone then expect being hit back, if you're going to hit a guy of his size then you better hope the first one gets him down because you won't get a second.
Last edited by RedPanda; Sep 11, 2014 at 12:45 AM.
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Originally Posted by jmoran98 View Post
Guys although he did hit a woman, he did actually have a valid reason. I'm not saying abuse is good but when all I see is feminists/other females wanting equality then this should be deemed a correct response but since it was a female he's getting punished. Since I like to avoid conflict I'd most likely just ask why she did it but if I wasn't a pacifist then I'd take my anger too seriously and just do the same. P.S The punch that knocked her down was technically for self-defence, he hit her once then she charged in so he hit her again, its only because she was coming in at such speed that she was knocked out. Technically it was her fault though. EDIT: However though if you're going to hit someone then expect being hit back, if you're going to hit a guy of his size then you better hope the first one gets him down because you won't get a second.

I agree, because without that fact. Girls would and could go around beating guys senseless with the preset mindset that there is nothing they could do.
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What the hell, Men are biologically built to be stronger than women and with Ray Rice's case, it's like a Monster Truck vs Sedan. Rice is a professional football player. He was able to knock her out with one punch, along with her head colliding with the hand rail in the elevator. It is his fault for not having any self control, he could have simply held her away and made an attempt to calm her down.
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Try being in her place and think "would I hit this man?" although you say we're built stronger in some cases we aren't. take me for example, I'm scrawny and weak but just because I'm a male I automatically have a bias saying that I have to be strong or have to be capable of fighting, I'm not even kidding you when I say if a female was to hit me I'd probably get beaten down rather that hit someone. Since I try to avoid being hit I don't go hitting people. If she didn't want to get hit then you don't fucking punch a football player. Like you said moonshake it's like a sedan vs a monster truck but if you were the sedan (woman) then you wouldn't 'drive'/punch the fucking monster truck.
Last edited by RedPanda; Sep 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM.
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I believe my agreement has been proven for me ^

You can't pick a fight thinking you invincible to repercussions, like no matter the stand point. If you want true equality for men and women both.

If ray Rice was the attacker from the start, this wouldn't even be a thread.
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