Dahahaha, man you're just too much. I think it's written somewhere in the forum rules : when you don't know a damn thing about a subject, you avoid participating to the discussion to spout garbages & missinformation. That's exactly what you should do when the main subject of the thread is drugs.

You've never done drugs, you've probably never seen anyone doing drugs, you probably don't know anyone using drugs, I'm pretty sure you've never seen drugs others than tobacco and alcohol with your own eyes.

Fyi, No-one ever sprayed paint on his face to get high, it's a (dangerous) side effect if you happen to paint something in a room with a very bad air flow. Spray-painting your face ain't a thing.

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Back on topic, steroïds and other drugs to improve your physical aptitudes for the sake of sport & performance is utterly stupid, it should stay banned from competition forever.

Why people use those ?

Sport & entertainement is a huge money box. Professional athletes who use those drugs probably do it because of the profitable advantage that is being one of the top players or practicants of a mediatic sport, being in the winning team... They do not use for the sake of "pushing the limits of the human race", they do it because they can get a shitload of money out of it, for their clubs/teams too. Also, most of those athletes do it under medical observation, and even with precautions some athletes end up with serious health issues very early, if not dying.

Same thing goes for amateurs. Most amateurs who use those self-improving drugs try to go in the pro-leagues, except they probably use without telling anyone and certainly not a doctor, so they end up fucking themselves up more than they should.

There's no "reasonnably" taking anabolitic steroids, when you want to compete at high level in any sport, you need to be constantly at your top game, which means that if you became a recognized sportsman because you used steroids, you'll have to keep them rolling to stay at your place. And that's is NOT being reasonnable. Using any drug regulary during years will always end up fucking your body up.

Also, to people saying banning those drugs is going against technological advances :

Well first, this is NOT the case, that's not what "going against technological advances" means. For instance, refusing to use camera referee-ing in football(soccer) IS "going against tech advances". Using fossil energy and fuel cars when we could have free clean energy IS too.
Banning unfair ways of winning from the competitive scene IS NOT.

Secundo, you guys seem to forget one of the first rules of sport & competition has always been and still is fair-ness, fairplay, equality for the athletes.
We could compare this to the e-sport scene : why not allowing cheats in competition and LAN tournaments ? aimbots, wallhacks, triggers, spawning items etc... isn't that going against technology & knowledge ? and that would be so fucking interesting...

Anyway, a lot of you seem to think that sport and competition is only about "being the best", winning the maximum of shits and be a star... that's fucking dramatic, you think like perfect products of our stupid douchebag-glorifying society.
Sport fistly is about being in good shape/health... and competition is about measuring your skills to other practicants in a well-spirited sport meeting. It brings people together, around a passion, and no matter if you win or lose, you'll learn something about yourself and how to get better for the next one.
Allowing anabolitic drugs is just killing all of this.

What type of argument is that. To the best of my knowledge, and I could be wrong so if so someone step in, I'm the only one in this discussion to have actually taken anabolic steroids. I hardly think that my opinion is the only one that matters. Furthermore my major is Sport and Exercise Science (Kinesiology), so I have the educational background for it to.


You're not even making an argument, you're just attacking his character.

Yep I am not, I'm not trying to make any valid point for gorman anymore. There's been plenty of threads and discussions about drugs over the years, I (& plenty other people) made my/our point through reasonnable arguments (bear in mind I'm talking about drugs in general, not just anabolitics).

We've been explaining him how trying to ban all drugs is worthless, how our society has been trying to do it for years but the consumption never went down, only the expenses went up, we've been explaining how forbidding drugs isn't a way to educate people about those, how it would actually be economically beneficial to change the legislation, how it would be easier to help addicts & prevent diseases... points made by people who actually have experience about drugs, biology/medecine or social. He never bothered answering anything else than clichés and short sighted prejudices.

He might have some hindsight and good points on certain discussions, but when it comes to drug discussions he's just a thick dumb brick.


As where I stand about anabolitics precisely - I'm not against them, especially concerning bodybuilding since they actually fit their very purpose to the point this sport almost requieres its practicants to use (Which is why I don't like that sport, even if I totally respect it and people should stay free to practice it as they intend to). I mean, bodybuilding brings people together around a passion of the body and a particular way to "cultivate" it, including a very scientific use of anabolitics and complements, it's the core of that sport and it's a very unique sport as other sports bring people together around different principles which don't include modifying one's performance & muscles through exterior products and should stay this way.
Lets take US football as an exemple : if a team loses, they should intend to win their future matchs by improving their tactics, teamwork, technical aspects and training, as the sport they play is build on those, and not by improving their performances through anabolitics.

Also, I don't see any other viable uses for anabolitics. They don't have recreative aspects, they can't be use for military purpose or whatever else in that line of spirit. They mostly exist because it's a very profitable business, like a lot of other not so useful stuffs (including a lot of synthetic drugs).

His point is that usage stayed the same and that legalisation had other beneficial effects on society - there's been a net gain. Why is that not a good thing?

OK.

Usage doesn't equate to abuse. I'd argue factors like education would go a fair way to preventing abuse by forming an open, informed, normalised discourse about drugs.


The laws don't work, though. People abuse it regardless of the law. If the law's not working the law's not working. It needs to change. Another point not many people bring up is that a lot of the danger to others that you're talking about stems from addicts trying to acquire their drugs. Legalisation nips the supply and price problem right in the bud. It also provides revenue that can be directed at rehabilitating addicts.

Legalisation does have a net gain - it's at least a better alternative to the situation we have now.


Short term, if nothing else, the results of legalisation (of weed, anyway) looks promising. The normalisation process has probably begun, and usage remains the same (if it hasn't begun, then we'll wait and see what happens). By all reports, crime has dropped - if there's a pool that represents the total danger to society, then the pool's now a little shallower.

Yes, people are irresponsible. But we can combat that. If we're serious about this, then governments should be piling a whole heap of money into educating the people. Informing them so they have the knowledge that presupposes a responsible decision.

I don't think Steroids should stop being looked down upon. Yes it should be just what it is because Steroids is a thing that some people use to get buff. For Example: Professional Wrestlers need to sometimes get buff so that they are getting paid to do so. I don't think there is anything wrong with people in sports to use steroids but for you to say
they can be kind of bad even though there are players that don't use steroids to get there.
Well for it to make you big is kind of death when people use too many Steroids to get big and its definitely from all the pressure they're in.

Well it isn't that great for them to use Steroids anyway. Besides they've got better things to do than take Steroids. True, players are always need to be the best like in the NBA on Chicago Bulls for example, they have a big player named Joakim Noah that is always on defense.

They do kind of deserve it since they can win one for the team or so. I think Steroids isn't much of a thing that everyone needs to use either way.

Just a little thing I wanted to share. Some do use drugs that are as close to steroids as they can be without exactly "cheating".

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101

This scientific study disagrees with you.

That study showed that the group who took steroids and didn't exercise at all gained more lean muscle mass, tricep size, and quad size sitting on their couch than a bunch of people who were working out. That is to say that the drugs actually matter more than the exercising. Obviously taking steroids AND working out combined hold a better result than just taking steroid. And yes before you point it out- the strength of those who trained in Squats and Bench Press went up more than the men who didn't lift but were using testosterone.

Just for the record: I'm 100% for the legalization of anabolic steroids. I'm also 100% for the use of anabolic steroids, prohormones, IGF-1, insulin, Clenbuterol, Albuterol, HGH, and DNP. Yes, taking steroids "isn't enough" to take you the distance, but they give you a serious advantage and those who preach you need a stellar diet and exercise routine to make use of anabolics else it's "pointless" are people who are either trying to rationalize why they aren't juicing or trying to rationalize their use as something requiring immense discipline.

Obviously it's more important for you to lift weights than it is to inject yourself with steroids for performance purposes; however, you're vastly underselling steroids. A guy on an unorganized unmonitored diet with a sub-par workout routine taking anabolic steroids will well outperform a solid diet natural athlete if they have similar genetics. What I'm actually trying to say is: Yeah, training is more important than steroids, but taking steroids is so important that you can do a crappy job with your diet, your exercise, and your sleep and get better results than a natural athlete who's disciplined and nailing that stuff down perfectly ASSUMING they have the similar genetics.

A lot of civilizations used herbs roots and what not.