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Originally Posted by LeLight View Post
well as I said with the chris benoit case. it jeopardizes your health

1) Anabolic steroids don't enlarge organs. Human Growth Hormone does. They are very different.

2) Chris Benoit didn't kill people because he took steroids. Steroids don't turn you into a lunatic. Being a lunatic makes you a lunatic, adding steroids just makes you a lunatic with big triceps.
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Absolutely nothing is fair about what is natural. Steroids are actually a step closer to fair than what natural has done for us.

One person can have double the testosterone of another person, it's not fair, but it's true. And neither would be allowed to get a prescription for TRT in the states even if they wanted.

An excerpt from my Exercise Physiology class: "80% of sport's performance relates directly with genetics. There are even some who care considered 'non-responders' who simply don't improve their performance through exercise".

If we drug test our athletes every week, and actually gave them a set amount of steroids, then it'd come MORE down to their work effort than the randomness of what's natural. It'd actually be more fair.

Ethics aside of course.
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Well, it has been a while since I've tried to share a sense of mind, so forgive me if this makes absolutely no sense.

I've played multiple sports where steroids have been a "Problem" (NRL, AFL, MMA) but I see no problem in it.

I myself have naturally high Testosterone and could achieve results in a few months it would take my fellows almost double that time to achieve. I'd even been offered a supply of Anabolic steroids by a shady older neighbor who'd just bulked up in jail (Said no thanks BTW)

These people (Users of Anabolic Steroids/Human Growth Hormones) are just trying to get an edge they otherwise would, or perhaps could not have. That being said, it's not a "be all end all", they don't sit there playing video games and eating Doritos getting shredded as fuck, they worked bloody hard even before seeking the aid of growth enhancers.

They'd reached a point where the results were not mirroring their output, they'd simply hit a barrier of the human body and for them to open up their constraints, there were not many answers.

Competitively, I do think they should be at-least regulated somehow, modern sport is modern sport, and I don't think it should be compared to past civilizations.

I don't go around screaming from the rooftops promoting the shit, but I will not look down upon, or be envious of those who have chosen to use them. They're still only human haha.
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Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
So can't someone who wants to be "natural" just take a bit longer to build muscle mass then? What's the problem with that?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking here but if that's a genuine question the problem with that is there's a natural potential people can hit without using steroids and it comes usually around 2 years of serious training. Steroids don't just make things faster, they raise the ceiling for your potential by a great deal.
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No. No it's not. It's nothing like that at all. You want the best boxer to be the best because he's worked harder at perfecting his punches than anyone else, you want an e-sport to revolve around the fact that someone has studied the match-ups more spending the long hours for his love of the game to be the reason he's a world championship league of legend player... tediously going into single player practicing last hits. What you don't want is the match to be decided in advance because someone was born with some weird deformity that made the boxer's hand be near metal-like. What you don't want is the game of League of Legends to be decided by the fact that because of some weird neuron situation a kid lucked out into faster reflexes and muscle memories that he was born with. Having testosterone isn't a skill, you can't work on it, it proves nothing of a person's character, commitment, or work ethic, and it's not what sport's are about. That's why testosterone levels shouldn't be a limiting factor of one person's success when we have remedies for this that when used appropriately are safe. If we could set everyone to the same height for basketball safely, I'd be down for that as well.

When you take steroids, your body doesn't naturally create testosterone anymore, because it senses it doesn't need to. Meaning if everyone took say one gram of test, everyone would have one gram in their system and what happened naturally wouldn't matter anymore.

How "legal" something is isn't relevant at all. We can always make something legal if it's right.

It's not cheating at all if everyone is doing it, then it's just the rules of the sport. Steroids right now are "cheating" because it goes against the rules of most sport federations; however, that could be remedied.

You say "a lot of people could have this sort of success, they are just lazy", well that's a load of crap. Are plenty of aspiring athletes lazy and not putting in enough effort? Absolutely. But it's a crock of shit to say more than the 1% of the 1% of the 1% have the genetic potential to be professional athletes. You need pretty much everything to go right. There are so many things effort can't overcome.



Finally- some people are under the impression that steroid use is a bad thing. What they're failing to account for is that it isn't steroid's use that's causing the plethora of problems that people cite. It's steroid abuse that's bad. You can take steroids without experiencing a cocktail of terrible irreversible side effects.
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