Originally Posted by xlr84life
I will not reply in the manner of your culture because:
O ye who believe! Let not a folk deride a folk who may be better than they (are), not let women (deride) women who may be better than they are; neither defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. Bad is the name of lewdness after faith. And whoso turneth not in repentance, such are evil-doers. (11) Quran 49:11
What kind of reply is that? If I don't like your post, should I dismiss yours with an unrelated quote?
Okay, let's see:
Vincent: And you know what they call a... a... a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?
Jules: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with cheese?
Vincent: No man, they got the metric system. They wouldn't know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is.
Jules: Then what do they call it?
Vincent: They call it a Royale with cheese.
Jules: A Royale with cheese. What do they call a Big Mac?
Vincent: Well, a Big Mac's a Big Mac, but they call it le Big-Mac.
Jules: Le Big-Mac. Ha ha ha ha. What do they call a Whopper?
Vincent: I dunno, I didn't go into Burger King.
That was to illustrate how much sense your reply made. (Also, Pulp Fiction is good. And it doesn't oppress women. Way better than Islam.)
Pulp fiction is about robbery, gambling, murder, homosexual rape and drugs, if you prefer that, then ok.
Parkour like you've never seen before:
http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=423045
http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=423045
Lol, thank you Gorman but I know slavery didn't start with the USA, I was using that particular US african-american history of slavery as an exemple because it's a strong symbol.
Also, I do agree that WE judge islamic laws through our own cultural values (even tho I do think there's some kind of natural human moral, but that's another debat, or is it?) But we're not the only one to judge it as oppressive, some men & women who were born and raised in islamic countries actually fight against the power in place in their country, at the risk of their own lives, because they know it is oppressive.
It's a matter of education. The biggest part of the population in those countries live in rural areas and most don't have a proper access to education. It's not a coincidence if religious extremists/integrists who happens to lead a country commited auto-da-fé not that long ago, burning books & knowledge that contradict their own delusions.
So yeah I get your point that if you're brainwashed by any religion and someone claims God will punish anyone who don't follow xxx religious laws, then yes you won't judge it as oppressive/immoral/unjust or whatever. That doesn't mean the law is not objectively oppressive, that just means people can accept anything if you talk in their god's name with enough authority to be credible.
Also, I'd like to remind this : Most countries under sharia laws are ruled by integrists, and those people use their religious power to exerce control over the population through actions & laws that don't have anything to do with islamic laws. Nowhere in the Quran it's written that Sheikh X or King X from country X speaks in the name of Allah and criticizing him will get you jailed or killed. Those have nothing to do with Islam and like any other corrupted people from any culture, they just abuse their power.
Religions now are just pretexts, someone who holds a true faith doesn't need extreme laws to live in peace with his god.
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I realized I'm not even sure what your point is since I didn't have the will to go through the 20 pages... I just happened to read what you said about women and western values.
You're saying no one can objectively judge if Sharia laws are oppressive or not because... ?
Also, I do agree that WE judge islamic laws through our own cultural values (even tho I do think there's some kind of natural human moral, but that's another debat, or is it?) But we're not the only one to judge it as oppressive, some men & women who were born and raised in islamic countries actually fight against the power in place in their country, at the risk of their own lives, because they know it is oppressive.
It's a matter of education. The biggest part of the population in those countries live in rural areas and most don't have a proper access to education. It's not a coincidence if religious extremists/integrists who happens to lead a country commited auto-da-fé not that long ago, burning books & knowledge that contradict their own delusions.
So yeah I get your point that if you're brainwashed by any religion and someone claims God will punish anyone who don't follow xxx religious laws, then yes you won't judge it as oppressive/immoral/unjust or whatever. That doesn't mean the law is not objectively oppressive, that just means people can accept anything if you talk in their god's name with enough authority to be credible.
Also, I'd like to remind this : Most countries under sharia laws are ruled by integrists, and those people use their religious power to exerce control over the population through actions & laws that don't have anything to do with islamic laws. Nowhere in the Quran it's written that Sheikh X or King X from country X speaks in the name of Allah and criticizing him will get you jailed or killed. Those have nothing to do with Islam and like any other corrupted people from any culture, they just abuse their power.
Religions now are just pretexts, someone who holds a true faith doesn't need extreme laws to live in peace with his god.
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I realized I'm not even sure what your point is since I didn't have the will to go through the 20 pages... I just happened to read what you said about women and western values.
You're saying no one can objectively judge if Sharia laws are oppressive or not because... ?
Last edited by deprav; Jan 18, 2015 at 08:30 PM.
