https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...tive-election/

What do you all think of Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton for 2016 POTUS? Do you actually want another Bush or Clinton? Why/why not? Who do you think would win - early polls (that mean nothing) says Hillary. Could there be someone completely unexpected? Maybe someone from outside politics? What's your outlook on the political landscape at the moment - cynical, encouraged, unengaged?

A lot of questions, a lot of discussion points. What do you think?

Just like how we've ended up with Obama because he was the first black one. And then we'll get the first Mexican president. And then the first Muslim one. We'll go through everyone until we revert back to the old white dudes.

If Hillary won, they could be BFFs with Merkel. That'd rule.

How does it feel, as Americans, to know that you have one more political candidate to choose from than the Soviet Union? You've only got two choices, Democrat and Republican (pretty much left-leaning centrist vs. right-leaning centrist). It sounds very grim when some people call it a 'duopoly' (even grimmer when they call it a two-party dictatorship).

The bi-partisan Commision on Presidential Debates essentially excludes third parties from national debates by requiring candidates to meet very high standards (made even tougher because Perot kept crashing the party) and strict ballot access laws stagnates the growth of any third party and acts as a roadblock to the debates for third parties.

tldr;
The American system is fucked because it doesn't allow for people outside the traditional political box to make a difference.

edit: forgot to even mention the effect of a winner-takes-all voting system on third parties (hint: it's bad), as opposed to proportional voting.

Mhm. Seems like this 'representative' system ain't what it's cracked up to be, ey?

Women get no rights
neither do you

He should've explained his position more (and you should do that McNuggets), but I don't know how you got that from what he said. Look at what he bolded. He's arguing against that point.

Maybe. He said 'women get no rights', not 'women shouldn't have rights', though, so I think he's making an observation (which seems ridiculous anyway), rather than a suggestion. It'd help if he wrote more than four words.

Way to go off topic guys...

Anyway, my thought:
People will vote for Clinton just because she's a girl and will be history to have a female be the President of the USA. The United States is so much in shit though that it'll take a crap ton of presidents to fix it.... I don't even vote, because the president can't really do shit anyway, it's the congress who actually does shit. The President is just basically the congress puppet.

Foreign policy is decided by cold practicalities, not subject to the whim of the president. It's always been this way.