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Removing historical clans - rip
So I just saw this, meaning that they're removing all the, dare I say, legendary clans in Toribash.

I'd like to quote what one of the members of RAWR posted in the thread linked above, since it's a good argument.

Originally Posted by WeRd View Post
well guys it looks like we didn't spam enough on the forumz or idle in IRC 24/7 so thats it.

we've been a clan for almost 8 years now ffs. We lurk around, post when we need to, and play when we can. For a game so community driven like toribash you guys seem awfully happy to break ours apart. Based on Gynx avatar he even seems to take a bit of pride in it.

If you do decide to kill RAWR then thats a shame, it was really the only thing that kept me coming back to this place after all these years.


Oh by the way..Toribash has about 3.5 million registered users. At the time I am writing this there are <500 people online. the irony here is killing me.

What are the community's opinion on this? Is Clan-mods taking this too far or is it about time?

Edit: This is a discussion thread, please don't get this closed by shit-posting without any real arguments.
Last edited by Hattersin; Apr 24, 2015 at 08:14 AM.
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I saw that and also this from the alien's 2nd inactivity warning/removal, which also has a point to it;
Originally Posted by andrzej18 View Post
Dear Gynx,
Can you please explain what do you mean by "you've failed your second activity check"?
Explain please the criterions of your taking such decisions.
Frankly speaking i do not understand what you really expect to see. Most of us are 20-28 years old, we study and work, some of our members are in the army now.
The main idea of the clan is to develop the international relationship, cooperation and communication. According to this i would like to tell that we correspond that kind of standards. We are quite active in communication on forum.
We all began playing this game long time ago and at that time the game as a whole was norm but nowadays we understand that nothing has hreatly changes and that's why most of us are not active in game. But that doesn't mean that we cannot stay as a clan anymore. Much can be said about lot of such clans ( and the most famous is as we all know MAD) It would be unfair if you close the first russian speaking clan.
Please take this into consideration.

to be honest I'd say doing this is driving away the old players who come back to the forums/in-game to converse and catch up with their old friends, on occasion when they have the time.
I don't really see what harm they are doing in being less active, since a percentage come back for the clan league anyway, it's not like they post once every 6 months..
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Originally Posted by pusga View Post
are they really removing RAWR? then why is MAD still a thing?

Maybe they are, I don't know. Perhaps it won't since Hampa is in it but I can really only guess.
Last edited by Hattersin; Apr 19, 2015 at 07:19 PM.
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Unjustified removal

This is completely stupid even if they don't post as much it does not matter. They are active but they have so many active members. Even alot of members that are important too the toribash community. The fact that they post outside their own board more than they do inside shows their activity even more. The more they get involved with community the better the name they make for their clan. I think they only see their clan board as important topics related too the clan, not some area where you post nonstop. Other clans post too get too know their own members and talk with each other but every clan has different ways. RAWR is more mature than most clans and it is ridiculous that they even have the thought of considering them dead when they do so much in this community.

Also i'd like too bring up another fact that literally within an hour of Gynx making the thread pronouncing RAWR "dead" RAWR members post (In their board) arguing that it is unjustified. If they were dead then it would take atleast a week for a RAWR member notice that thread.
Originally Posted by EvoSoda View Post
How in the name of god can you remove a clan with such historical value, it's not like all their members were inactive either!
This should be taken back, even though new clans need chances etc. they can't remove one of the most historical clans in Toribash history!
I AM AGAINST THIS REMOVAL!

They honestly don't care about the historical value, they have mindset "Kill it, put it in the museum". But you the fact that they have alot of important members in their clan, and the clans has alot of active members who are involved with community is what i am pissed about.
You either help or hurt Toribash when you make a decision like this. The question becomes do, as a community, we feel that some clans are too important to destroy no matter the inactivity. We are not Clan Mods, we do not actually have a say, but we do have an opinion and I think it's worth sharing it on this subject.

I don't know where the line is. I can say I'm very comfortable with [bncy] getting deleted because despite me associating that clan with the likes of Ishi and War_Hero, they aren't impacting the community anymore. They aren't entering events, they aren't logging onto Toribash, they aren't using the forums, they aren't using their board.

But then look at the extreme contrast from [bncy] to [RAWR]. RAWR does enter events, they are in Clan League every year. RAWR does have active forum members, I can't go a day without reading something written by BenDover. RAWR does still impact the community, people actually play Toribash explicitly because of work Nuthug's done. To me, all of that, combined with the amount of hours the members of RAWR have put in at one point or another making Toribash a better place whether it be as role models or as staff members is enough to not touch the clan. It's the reason a clan like MAD exists.


The juice has to be worth the squeeze. I don't think the "juice" here being we get to free up an official clan spot (which are limitless from what I can tell) is worth the "squeeze" of disbanding clans with friendships that have lasted longer than most people's time here in Toribash.
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Originally Posted by DrHax View Post
You either help or hurt Toribash when you make a decision like this. The question becomes do, as a community, we feel that some clans are too important to destroy no matter the inactivity. We are not Clan Mods, we do not actually have a say, but we do have an opinion and I think it's worth sharing it on this subject.

I don't know where the line is. I can say I'm very comfortable with [bncy] getting deleted because despite me associating that clan with the likes of Ishi and War_Hero, they aren't impacting the community anymore. They aren't entering events, they aren't logging onto Toribash, they aren't using the forums, they aren't using their board.

But then look at the extreme contrast from [bncy] to [RAWR]. RAWR does enter events, they are in Clan League every year. RAWR does have active forum members, I can't go a day without reading something written by BenDover. RAWR does still impact the community, people actually play Toribash explicitly because of work Nuthug's done. To me, all of that, combined with the amount of hours the members of RAWR have put in at one point or another making Toribash a better place whether it be as role models or as staff members is enough to not touch the clan. It's the reason a clan like MAD exists.


The juice has to be worth the squeeze. I don't think the "juice" here being we get to free up an official clan spot (which are limitless from what I can tell) is worth the "squeeze" of disbanding clans with friendships that have lasted longer than most people's time here in Toribash.

Well said.

As I see it, removing clans as old as these serves no purpose.
If it was me in an 6-8 year old clan getting closed, I wouldn't just pick it up from the beginning again and go join some other clan with people I don't know.
There's no reason to. I'd just be done with Toribash. The argument that there needs to be room made for newer clans just doesn't hold it at all.

I think the few extremely old clans, such as RAWR and MAD are important as they are. It's what motivated me when I was new, I told myself I'd work my way up to that legendary clan. I'm very sure that I'm not alone in having felt this way, and just that the clan motivates people to play more by simply existing and taking part in events when possible is a good reason for why it should stay.
Compare it to any other clan and there's a pretty clear difference.

Perhaps there's a need for a Legendary status among clans, just as they did for individual people?
In other words, forgive them a bit for their inactivity on their own board, since they have done and still do so much for the community.

I'd also like to point out that the clan-board of the "clan butcherer" seems to be just as inactive as RAWR's clan-board, yet nothing is said. Perhaps it will be removed shortly as well, no?
Last edited by Hattersin; Apr 19, 2015 at 08:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by pusga View Post
are they really removing RAWR? then why is MAD still a thing?

If MAD was removed, hampa can just go and re-add the clan back. There is no point in getting rid of it.
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It's simply not, morally right. This has happened to UrbanUnit as well. These clans are full of veteran players who shaped the clan community in a way. Most holding legendary players, who're all mature and well molded into the community.

What I don't quite understand is the particular forcus on some particular clans. Has MAD been given checks? Or any other old, inactive clans that are well in need or checks? It's like, a principle. Whether the old, historical clans are as active as full lively clans such as wapow, it doesn't quite give CMs the authority to chop away pieces of the community..

Of course, they're doing their job. their are rules to follow and although those rules are sometimes heinous, they should be bent a bit in a way for these clans. to me, it just seems wrong.
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