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I should have been more clear. I specifically meant calculus when I asked if we really needed it to be required. I completely agree that we should be teaching at least algebra.

My apologies for wasting your time.
Originally Posted by raaage View Post
Indeed you did, but thanks for having to courage to admit your mistakes it's very brave of you.



^

Lol. Such a Pathetic Child.


I agree, I wish mandatory classes would teach better things for life, like say, how to pay taxes, or how to pay for a house. There are some classes for that, but aren't very well known in High School.

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Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
Lol. Such a Pathetic Child.


I agree, I wish mandatory classes would teach better things for life, like say, how to pay taxes, or how to pay for a house. There are some classes for that, but aren't very well known in High School.

Why does it have to be a mandatory class? There are people who want to take the class, and those who don't. Some people may already know how to pay taxes and take care of a child. So what's the point of forcing it on students, even though some of them might not be interested in the class. An alternative would be to provide it as an elective.
Valterain1 was defeated by hermaphrodite on Oct 17, 2015.
Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
Off-topic(ish)
What should schools be teaching? What you and an individual want to learn. We need a larger choice system in our school systems. Because, as of right now, what I want to do with my life and a profession, my school teaches the bare basics if even that. I signed of for "Advance computer Technology" and got "Fucking around in google docs for 18 weeks." So many spreadsheets....

Giving people too much choice in what they want to learn instead of what they should learn isn't the way to go. It's not about choice, it's about getting the knowledge required to become a decent human being. We just need to provide more elective classes in middle school and high school that cater to the students needs. And I will agree, all computer related classes are piss poor. "Let's program in basic JavaScript for 4 weeks"
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Originally Posted by Valterain1 View Post
Why does it have to be a mandatory class? There are people who want to take the class, and those who don't. Some people may already know how to pay taxes and take care of a child. So what's the point of forcing it on students, even though some of them might not be interested in the class. An alternative would be to provide it as an elective.

Most teenagers don't know how to pay taxes, and sure as hell don't know how to care for a child. If they already know, great! It's just extra practice. Why do some people excel in some classes? Because they understand it better than some. Some (meaning most) won't know how to do these things.

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Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
I never said they should have complete choice in everything. Just the current amount of choice is very very shit. "Decent human being" is a bit too opinionated to be put into action. We are (supposedly) taught social skills and norms through the hidden curriculum. So that's already applied. What do you mean by decent human being?

Let me elaborate. In order to become a decent human being in my life you should be able to provide something useful to society. If you do not have some of the basic skills in order to function in the real world, then you aren't useful to society (unless you consider smoking blow and partying useful).
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Originally Posted by raaage View Post
You are so right, schools need to stop assuming that students don't know where they want to head in life and support them in learning whatever interests them.



Are you kidding?
It's that sort of attitude that has students sitting through shitty classes, learning absolutely nothing when they could be doing something useful with their time(even if it is something stupid like art class or drama, it's better than sleeping through classes)

Saying that a class is shitty is something that is entirely opinionated. Each of the standards classes such as history or mathematics are entirely necessary. Mathematics enforces problem solving and history provides information on past societies and events that you as a citizen should know. If you didn't pay attention in math society should not compensate for your lack of interest in standard classes by giving you alternatives. They should instead provide a real incentive for excelling in those classes. Schools lack a real incentive for getting good grades (minus the fact that GPA matters when it comes to applying for colleges, but a lot of students disregard this). This should become a priority for schools, not giving students alternatives that they prefer. Note: I am not saying we get rid of electives. Some choice is needed.
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Valterain1 was defeated by hermaphrodite on Oct 17, 2015.
Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
Alternatives to the basic classes are something that should be implemented. Even if it's another form of Math that the student feels more comfortable with. When it boils down to it, not everyone learns at the same pace, and not everyone is compatible with the same subjects. They should NOT be punished and ridiculed because of this.

You are then suggesting they we allow students to choose the more or less challenging math class for them? I will agree with you on that, but if we do not push students forward enough and provide them challenges then they will expect that throughout life. Also, if anything, students are ridiculed more for being in less advanced classes rather then having poor grades in an advanced class.
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Originally Posted by raaage View Post
You are really fuckin ignorant if you think that the final goal of education is being able to participate in college.
Not to mention that not everyone has the means to do so.

Did I ever actually mention that was the final goal of education? I did not. I simply said that it was an incentive that is there but is greatly disregarded by students. Please don't blatantly insult me by taking me out of context to prove your point.

Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
Sure, give them challenges, but give them challenges in their respective areas. Because, again, some people are just not compatible with these current standards.

-That is true. Some people are not compatible with the current standards, but they still need the challenge.

I have only seen a few people insult, ridicule, or judge someone being in less advanced classes. And normally when they do, they get more insults, ridiculing, or judgement then what they gave.

-Ridiculing isn't a topic that should be brought up because it's not that important in the long run. Students are constantly ridiculed for multiple reasons. Whether it's being too intelligent or on the other side of the scale. No matter what ridicule with occur. Someone will always disagree with you.

Speaking of less advanced classes, a large portion of drop-outs do so because they can't meet these standards. So more choices and less standards might help the minority.

-The exceptions in school are set a bit higher than what seems necessary. But if their education is put at a slower pace, then how will we compensate that for the future so they will learn what everyone else is learning? Do we lengthen the time they are in school? Because that doesn't seem fair at all.

Valterain1 was defeated by hermaphrodite on Oct 17, 2015.
Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
The majority of the population don't do their own taxes, or do it on a computer with a program like turbo tax. Doing it on a computer is really stupid easy. So that is not that large of a problem, it's just something kids freak out about.

If they freak out about it too much. Then they should learn it in school to prevent that. I already know how to pay taxes since my dad tought me. So this isn't a biased opinion. It would have been easier for be to figure it out if it was in classes.

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Originally Posted by RAWWRH View Post
"Hey kids, you are likly to get someone else to do you taxes for you. Class over."

No. And you said "likely". Meaning not EVERYONE will have that advantage. I sure as hell won't.

Plus, this isn't just about Taxes. Theres buying a house, a car, etc.
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