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Originally Posted by CAMMYTHESPEEDSCOOTER View Post
Did apple really just say make math an elective...fucking kek. That one statement just made me stop reading everything else he had to say.

I never said "math should be an elective" most basic math needs to be taught. But once you begin to delve into trigonometry and more complex versions of math, it no longer becomes an essential thing to know. Therefore, for those who still want to continue to learn it, it can be an elective.
But I'm not going to continue to argue, you're flat out throwing insults out of nowhere. I may have called someone idiotic but he misquoted, and based a whole post on a false quote from me.
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He may have not even tried to quote me, but was definitely blowing something I said way out of proportion and interpreting it in a way that I did not mean it.
Last edited by apple123; Jul 17, 2015 at 08:23 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Many (I'd say most but I have no statistics to prove this at hand) young men and women in high school have absolutely zero clue what they'll end up doing for a living. You can't possibly know what you didn't need to know until much later in life, and at the very least learning something as functional as complicated math makes your everyday math that much easier to do.

If you're counting on 14, 15, 16, 17, and 18 year olds to confidently choose what they should learn and stick with a program that'll lead to their career, all you cause is great depression as they hit their 20's and realize they want to do something completely different. So yes, the "liberal arts" approach may lead to some "useless" information; however, it teaches you all the possibilities of things you could pursue interest and mastery in. It also prepares you for the most amount of possibilities. Because for something like Engineering, you'd be pretty screwed to decide "Oh yeah I want to do that" if you elected not to take pre-calculus in high school and you're just now catching up in college.
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The point of teaching kids a lot of crap in HS is mainly so they can see what they are good at. You aren't giving any meaningful knowledge to the kids who barely pass their classes, that's why a passing grade requires a lot higher % on tests in Uni than in HS. It's all there to filter people and prepare the better minds for Uni like I've said a few weeks ago.

How is this still going on by the way? Most of you are still in HS, therefore your opinion matters jack shit in the topic.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jul 17, 2015 at 07:07 PM.
Why is a high shcoolers opinion on what schools should be teaching less important than that of someone older never mind "matters jack shit"?

If anything Id say that at this point it affects them more so their say is perhaps more important
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
Why is a high shcoolers opinion on what schools should be teaching less important than that of someone older never mind "matters jack shit"?

Because they have no idea why they are learning stuff in the first place. Hindsight helps with that.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
Because they have no idea why they are learning stuff in the first place. Hindsight helps with that.

I know why im learning what im learning, and I know fairly much why I learnt what I did lower down in school.

Its a gross generalisation to say all high schoolers do not know why they are learning and to discount their opinions is wrong
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
I know why im learning what im learning, and I know fairly much why I learnt what I did lower down in school.

Well, turns out your opinion doesn't matter either.

Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
In no country do highschoolers have experience with life after highschool...

This.

It isn't rocket science to do taxes, in most places the workplace does it for you if you don't request otherwise. Cooking, cleaning, taking the trash out, voting and any of that stuff aren't that hard to do without someone showing you how, either (you could learn to cook from youtube for example). I can't imagine what you guys want to learn as "life skills", most people have parents to teach them those.
You'll learn most of the stuff you have to know on the job anyways, unless you go for something requiring certification or a diploma.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jul 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
Well, turns out your opinion doesn't matter either.

"Young people's opinions don't matter because they don't know why theyre learning what they're learning"

"Your opinion doesn't matter because you know the reason behind what you're learning"


Care to explain?
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
"Young people's opinions don't matter because they don't know why theyre learning what they're learning"

"Your opinion doesn't matter because you know the reason behind what you're learning"


Care to explain?

The weigh was on the ongoing nature of your sentence. You are still in High School, therefore it's impossible for you to see what is and what isn't necessary for you to learn. Also, you have no idea why you are learning stuff, you are learning because it is expected of you. And that is fine, learn everything and you'll have a wide array of options ahead of you. But none of you guys could ever have an educated opinion on what is needed/unneeded in the curriculum.

Let me tell you something I've learned since I've left HS: 90% of it is bullshit, but the usable 10% is different for everybody. They are making you learn everything because if they let you choose which 10% you'd like to learn, your brain wouldn't be fit for learning actual in-depth material later on. You may think you are good at maths/physics/whatever, but that whole HS material you were so good at will be 2 pages in a 200-page textbook (not exaggerating) if you go down any path of higher education. It's also a great place in life to get an idea of what you actually like doing. Choosing a major which you don't like/aren't very good at will be wasted time. Even if you finish, you won't be worth a damn compared to those who excel at it.

If I had a say in changing what they teach you, I'd just double the material in size so you'd be better prepared for Uni. If you aren't going to go to Uni, it doesn't matter what you do in HS.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jul 18, 2015 at 10:42 PM.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
The weigh was on the ongoing nature of your sentence. You are still in High School, therefore it's impossible for you to see what is and what isn't necessary for you to learn. Also, you have no idea why you are learning stuff, you are learning because it is expected of you. And that is fine, learn everything and you'll have a wide array of options ahead of you. But none of you guys could ever have an educated opinion on what is needed/unneeded in the curriculum.

How is it impossible for me to know why im learning what I am, its clear that each subject will give you some knowledge, and also in the process of learning you are given skills that may become valuable, anyone can see that what makes you think that a high school student cant.

Feel free to enlighten me about what it is I dont know.


Let me tell you something I've learned since I've left HS: 90% of it is bullshit, but the usable 10% is different for everybody. They are making you learn everything because if they let you choose which 10% you'd like to learn, your brain wouldn't be fit for learning actual in-depth material later on. You may think you are good at maths/physics/whatever, but that whole HS material you were so good at will be 2 pages in a 200-page textbook (not exaggerating) if you go down any path of higher education. It's also a great place in life to get an idea of what you actually like doing. Choosing a major which you don't like/aren't very good at will be wasted time. Even if you finish, you won't be worth a damn compared to those who excel at it.

They are also making you learn things so you have skills to use, for example even in scientific career paths English at high school level will have been useful, as you will have to write reports, such as lab reports, and dissertations, these things will need you to be able to write fluently and coherently in a way that other people will easily be able to understand the process and the conclusions you have drawn. This is what English was designed to teach everyone in schools.

If I had a say in changing what they teach you, I'd just double the material in size so you'd be better prepared for Uni. If you aren't going to go to Uni, it doesn't matter what you do in HS.

I wouldnt say doubling would be a good idea, many students are already overloaded by the amounts of work they get, the people who will not be going on to uni cannot be ignored by the education system, maybe increasing slightly the amount of work and forcing more independent work to be donewould be a better way to get people prepared for uni

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