Originally Posted by snake

okay i will explain why it's bad and why i agree on hax statement

hax, my despise towards you is positively changing from "get ran over by truck" to "get ran over by car"

so instead get ran over by this little fella

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back to the point:

we have players pool of 100 who are currently online ingame

we have fraction of players who want to play ranked, let's say 20

of these fraction we have a fraction of people who want to play grappling 14

and 4 to play striking

and 2 to play kicking


LoL have a huge player pool so thats a terrible example.

if toribash will ever grow to something remotely large and will stop resembling an university side project, you will be able to afford fragmentation of player pool by their specific choices, but you can't do it now, no matter how you summarize 12+6 12+2 6+2 you are still pretty low on numbers to think of that shit.

10 mods is a bit too much, but the short list of official cumpetative mods should be pretty decent, i would even say 3 mods from each category to begin with

again, i have to agree with hax as he surprisingly do understand why taking fraction from fraction of fraction of player pool is horrible idea for such small game as tb



i will bold the text so you will notice

THE MAIN PRIORITY OF MATCHMAKING IS TO FIND A MATCH UP

next priority is to match you up with player who have relative skill to you

and only after that your prefferences


don't be mistaken, we are still talking about cumpetative gameplay and cumpetative matchmaking, but these are the priorities which you need to recognise first, before "i want this, i want that", as they are fundamental


if you click "matchmaking" and wait for a hour to find an opponent - your matchmaking is a complete fail

when numbers grow - you can allow fragmentation, but when it's slim as fuck it's plain stupid.

Originally Posted by hampa

We can always ignore their preferences on the back end if we can't find a match.

Originally Posted by snake

a diagram on how you will choose to ignore or not please

Originally Posted by FistofLife

In SC you DON'T pick what enemy race you want to face.

In hearthstone you DON'T pick what class you want to play against.

Why would it be different in toribash

Originally Posted by snake

a diagram on how you will choose to ignore or not please

Originally Posted by cowmeat

In SC you dcide what race YOU play

in hearthstone you pick YOUR own deck

In the current idea the player has no say over his OWN mod. bad example.

The 5 mods idea is still fine, i have no problem with that.

Originally Posted by DrHax

It's not a perfect example, but in all fairness you do get to pick what mods you're good at. So while you pick your own deck in Hearthstone, you also pick which mods you're good at in Toribash so that when it comes up in Matchmaking you can better guarantee victory. Or when you're called upon in clan league.

Just wanted to touch on practicality with a point you said earlier: "if Killer was the best lenshu player in Toribash I think he deserves praise". This goes back to the cons of banning mods. We wouldn't actually know who's the best in plenty of mods because there wouldn't be competition. The amount of people who take Judofrac seriously is less than 10. For TK? Less than 25. By forcing players to play mods they aren't comfortable at, it creates a larger talent pool which also creates more competition. It'll be easier for you to strut your stuff in TK if people are forced to actually play you in the mod.