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Wrongful Manslaughter Charge? Yes or No, Why?
NEWS REPORTING OF WHAT HAPPENED OK OK

Ok, so I normally never post in a the discussion board.
Main reason is I don't get involved with news, etc..
This is something I see as completely wrong though that has happened to someone I know and have spent some time with and his family. I'll give some backround to what I know about him and what happened.

He is an Egyptian immigrant who moved here(U.S) with his family on a VISA. They have been living here for a few years and most of them work for the taxi company "Yellow Cab". My mother met them shortly after starting to work as a taxi driver. The Egyptian man who was arrested is about 60 years old. He was recently arrested and is being charged for neglectful manslaughter.

About six months ago, he was given a fare to pick someone up and drop them off. He drives a taxi cab (bigger van) that allows for people in wheelchairs to get in the car. The man that he is charged for manslaughtering was a guy in a wheelchair. As a taxi driver you take someone where they need to go, and drop them off. You only wait around if they ask you to. If they don't, you leave and hopefully try and get another fare. He dropped this man off at his house, who then later comes to find out died that night because his wife wasn't home to let him in. His wife didn't come home for 11 hours since he had been dropped off and when she got home she found him dead outside, next to the front door. Because of this, they are charging the taxi driver for manslaughter and set his bail to $100,000 because someone he dropped off died because no one was there to let him in the house. Is this right or wrong?

Is this neglectful manslaughter? If so from the taxi driver? The wife that wasn't home to let her husband in for 11 hours? The man who died waiting outside because he didn't have keys to his own house? Anyone at fault? Everyone in his family is completely shocked and has no clue what to do about it. Let me know what you think please and why.

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Wow, well.. This is quite an unfortunate, odd accident. I think that's just about all it is. I do not believe it's the taxi driver's job to sit there and watch the person walk inside of their house unless asked. I find the man who died mostly at fault; even being in a wheelchair, couldn't he have tried to go to a neighbor's or some other place he could stay for a bit, assuming he couldn't contact his wife? I guess I can't say for sure without knowing the severity of the man's condition, but I find it strange that a man would get to the point of dying without trying to do anything about it. He just sat outside his house?

Assuming the man was in no condition to help himself, then the wife was partially at fault, but it's not like she planned his death, she was away. We don't know how oblivious the wife was to her husband, we don't know if she talked to him on the phone, etc. but no matter what it was, I don't think she should have been charged, either.

This was just a bit of a freak accident, nobody should be punished for it, in my opinion.
ImmortalPig, the guy in the wheelchair was dropped off at his house after going to the doctors or coming home from the hospital.

Note that taxi drivers are not told what type of medical condition these people are in, this would be considered something called a medical voucher (the insurance of the person usually pays the taxi company to drive them around if needed to appointments or from hospitals). They could be coming from a hospital, doctors office, etc or be going there and the insurance will pay for the taxi fee.


I do not know the "full story" as the police would see it or how the wife describes it, but from what I know and partially assume. I'm thinking the wife called the police after she found him dead, and then told them where she was at, and why he was outside (medical visit, was getting dropped off). A lot of these people get picked up and dropped off by many taxi drivers, so this could have literally happened to any of the drivers. All the police would have to do is figure out which taxi company, and the wife should know this. Then they would need to get probably a warrant or something to go through the taxi log books to see who accepted that voucher, etc. It basically led back to him as being the driver, so they are going to try and charge him.

I also have concerns about it, some of them were stated.

1. Why did the guy not have keys to his own house?
2. Why was his wife away knowing he would be coming home from a doctors appointment, hospital, or w/e?
3. Why did the guy not try to ask for help or something like that from a neighbor?
4. Why/how did he die? He died because of dehydration, I asked. This makes sense because 6 months ago it was summer time (June), and it gets hot (100-110F avg)

I'm assuming this guy was older, and without a cellphone.
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How can anyone make a judgement on this, you have told us like almost nothing. I'm sure there is way way way more to this story.
There really isn't nothing else to be added that I could add to the story.

Taxi driver drops off someone at their house, and the taxi driver leaves after doing so like any other fare. The guy later dies from dehydration after waiting for someone to let him into his house. His wife didn't come home for 11 hours while he was sitting outside in 100 degree F weather. When she got there, she found him dead (he had died from dehydration).

So, wife calls police. Police trace it back to who dropped him off there and "left him there". They make an arrest. Now trying to charge the taxi driver for manslaughter, as he is "at fault".
The guy that died was in a wheelchair, and most likely an older guy.
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The story isn't preposterous, and is 100% real.
I and my mother have spoken to the family, and they were told by the police that he died of dehydration because he was left outside his house with no way in. His wife came home and found him dead outside of the house.

It really did happen, and the wife told the police basically what time she'd gotten home and the police have the taxi company records of when he was picked up because they record the time, etc. The taxi's also have a GPS that they could go and look at and see when he was at the address, etc. It's a true story, and you're right it sounds so preposterous because it doesn't seem like anyone could have died like that, and then someone being blamed, arrested is now trying to be charged.
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So this idiot didn't think "hey maybe I'll call my wife" or "I'll ask my neighbor for help" I mean if this guy was so stupid that he died in 11 hours I really think he got what was coming to him. I don't care if that's mean, but let's be honest the guy was dumb enough to die from waiting. If anyone should be changed with those fines it's the wife she was the caretaker, so more or less it was her responsibility to let him in. Also everybody should have a hidden spare key.
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There may have been other circumstances that prevented him from calling someone (perhaps his phone wasn't on him)

I don't really want to get into who's fault it really is and all that because it really is circumstantial, but I do want to say it isn't the taxi driver's fault. You pick someone off and drive them to their location. If they don't request that he stay and make sure x happens, then he can simply go and find another fare. That's how taxis work. He was simply making a routine run. Just because the man died after he left the taxi doesn't mean it's the taxi's fault.
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Originally Posted by JSnuffMARS View Post
First of, taxi driver is not a great job. It's not inspirational, it's not of enough value to me. I won't work as a taxi driver. Thank you.
Why is he working as a taxi driver at 60? Where's progress?

1)WTF wheelchair guy doesn't use a cellphone?

2)WTF he's shy, he couldn't ask people around him for a cellphone?

3)dude your story doesn't hold up, unless the dead gentleman dude is a hillbilly w/o a phone who lives in very rural area.

I never said Taxi driving was a good job, but the family is kind of rich they came from Egypt and just do taxi driving to basically get extra money. In Egypt they own a bunch of houses and are considered millionares.

I don't actually have a cellphone. If I were lost or something I wouldn't be able to call anyone even if I did have a cellphone, because I really don't use phones at all and haven't bothered to memorize house phone number, etc. I don't really have a need to know the number, so I never bothered to learn it after it got changed like 3-4 times.

He was dropped off at his house, I don't know exactly where it was but it was an older guy. He maybe didn't have the energy to use the wheelchair to go all the way to a neighbors house. I really don't know. It really did happen though, I have no clue why the guy died of dehydration exactly but he did.

From what I know the judge talked to the taxi driver a few days ago, and I'm not really sure exactly whats going on at this point but yea.
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Originally Posted by hawkesnightmare View Post
Link to the news story I found, since Panda didn't feel like including a source. It seems like the man was not only physically disabled, but also mentally disabled, which hindered his ability to ask for help. The driver's liability is entirely dependent on the company's drop off policy.

\o/ Thanks for finding it. I tried finding a news story or something but just couldnt.
Also, from what I was told the lawyer from ABC news looked through the drop off policy, and found nothing saying that the driver is responsible of the person they transport and drop off. Also for some reason the ABC news lawyer is defending him in court from what I was told, and was for some reason going to try and have the wife arrested as well since she knew her husbands conditions and what he was doing that day. (I'm not 100% sure though of it) There should have been no real reason for her to be gone that long

I think no one should be charged with the mans death really, it was an accidental death that no one is really responsible for.
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