Originally Posted by uppkicker

Not trying to sound superior (ah wtf ofcourse i'm trying to sound superior!) but i have a theory about why tb is dying.
It's all thoose damn braincell-killing games like WoW and LoL, CoD, and all other games with a small "o" in the middle of their names.

People don't want games that are hard to learn, they want mindless fps/moba-games.
In my opinion, prettyh much all moba games are either the same, or very similar variations of about 4 different original moba titels.

Almost all fps are the same... goes without saying really.

TB is innovative, dynamic, different. And you can do so much with so simple mechanics.
But still most people just say "DIZ IZ 2 HARD! GIMME THAT NEW COD GAIM; COD:MW:206849875900888786544! I'L KIL U NOOBZ!"

Also, i found that there is an unusual amount of left-handed people playing TB compared to other games.

Originally Posted by uppkicker

No, i did not, but let me try to defend my point anyway: Toribash is hard in singleplayer, WoW does not support single player (that i know of). correct
Now weather TB is hard in singleplayer can be discussed, but if you want to be able to make realistic replays, or even cool looking ones, you need alot of skill.

There are incredibly few players that are "mediocre" at TB. In an mmo like WoW you could still be mediocre, you could have a medium amount of skill and be placed at a medium spot in the "pecking order" (I know that WoW doesn't really use the same ranking system as TB, but the point is, you can be mediocre at WoW and other people will see that you are mediocre.
correct but people will judge you more about your equip rather than skill.
If you are mediocre at TB and make a replay, most people are going to say that you are in fact very far down the skill tree.

Also, this period "before Cata" was a few years ago, when TB wasn't even released on steam, and there were not as big of a trend towards theese FPS MOBA clones. Which FPS/Mobas are you talking bout here? Neither TB Nor WoW are^^

Also, i actually lied in the top of the post, i have in fact played WoW before cataclysm, given i was not very old at the time, but i did not found it very hard, but instead extremely outdrawn, and boring.That is because the first few level are easy while the endcontent is hard as hell.

TB gameplay is a very different monster compared WoW. It is not really hard to learn WoW mechanics, and how things in the WoW world works (if i am wrong on this point please correct me!) Well you got alot of spell combinations and strategies to learn to actually do shit right and you got to keep on track with new additions and informations on weapons etc.
In TB however, you can easily learn the controls, and mechanics, though it takes far longer to become a "Medium player" than it takes in WoW.

WoW might not be easy in that that you are competing with millions of other players, in TB you are competing agains maybe a few thousand, but it is still harder to learn for most people. The basics are harder to understand.

Something as simple as killing a few scrubs in WoW cannot be compared to wha apears to be the simple tast of taking ten steps in TB, there is a huge difference there.
You are comparing on the wrong scale here. Killing the first 10 or so wolves is to be compared to moving your first few joints rather than doing an actual intended movement
Alright, i have no idea if you got my point at all, since i can't write for shit really.
It's fine really.
Let me explain it again:

When i say "hard to learn" i mean "hard to learn"

Rock paper scissors is not hard to learn, yet there are world championships held in it.
it is hard to WIN most times in rock paper scissors, but not hard to learn.

TB is hard to learn, but not very hard in multiplayer (though not easy since there is a pretty substantial gap between 10th dan and white.)

WoW is EASIER to learn, but harder to win alot, though you could still win alot against fairly matched players. TB does not have as good of a matching system.

Jeeze, that was a long post, also i may be completely wrong, and if so please tell me how.