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So one thing i never understood is why staff prefers to make its own definition of bad posts based on experience instead of just dealing with bad posts when they show up. Of course you need a reference to how you moderate, but if you think that moderating a board in an indie electronic karate simulator forum should be more complicated than that you might be trying too hard. The problem with this is that the staff end up making decisions based on how a certain type of thread worked out in the past instead of the inherent value of the thread. I've seen plenty threads closed because "this will not end well" according to who closed the thread. Unless we have time traveling staff i don't believe this is a good reason to close a thread. Only a thread with poor content (or that simply promotes poor content) or that already exists should be closed. Sure you can argue that you're preventing the bad content from showing up before it does, but you're still closing a perfectly fine thread that could go anywhere.

Bad threads and posts should be closed because they bring down the quality of the content in the community, and making statements such as "this type of thread is always bad and should always be closed" results in threads being closed because the staff thinks they're bad while the thread in question might not necessarily be bad. Was the acronym thread seriously a threat to the quality of the board? It was a fun thread that required a bit of creativity to post but in which everyone could participate. What would have happened had it not been closed? Would it evolve into a thread about nuclear weaponry and someone would learn about the subject and attempt to launch a homemade nuke killing thousands of innocents? Did you really need the extra space on the board for the 2/3 active off topic threads you currently have above a sea of closed/dead threads? #freeAcronyms
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Originally Posted by WeooWeoo View Post
Yeah, the Acronym thread doesn't fit that, but there's no discussion. There can't be a discussion there.

I have a gripe with this. Why does it always have to be about discussing things? Does a thread in which you have fun and enjoy yourself and promote other people enjoying themselves have less value than a thread where you discuss things?
Last edited by pusga; Sep 7, 2016 at 01:28 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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Originally Posted by pusga View Post
I have a gripe with this. Why does it always have to be about discussing things? Does a thread in which you have fun and enjoy yourself and promote other people enjoying themselves have less value than a thread where you discuss things?

Not to offend, but did you read my / Ele's posts before you posted this? Our idea is that Off-topic's goal as a less serious discussion platform is fine, but we also agree that threads like the acronym thread can be fun for users and deserve a place somewhere - off-topic is not the place, however.
Originally Posted by Fear View Post
Not to offend, but did you read my / Ele's posts before you posted this? Our idea is that Off-topic's goal as a less serious discussion platform is fine, but we also agree that threads like the acronym thread can be fun for users and deserve a place somewhere - off-topic is not the place, however.

i've read the thread, i don't see a valid reason why these threads can't coexist with the current type of thread allowed in off topic. if it's not the purpose of the board, then change the purpose of the board. very little would actually change, the "fun" threads would stop getting closed. it will only be a big deal if it's made out to be, if off topic has its rules changed in a huge ceremony then everyone will think it's a completely different board, but simply allowing harmless fun threads is a discreet way to repurpose the board and it wouldn't encourage more poor quality threads. We already have the fun threads, the only difference is that they are closed lel
Last edited by pusga; Sep 8, 2016 at 08:43 PM. Reason: typo
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By not closing poor quality threads, it in fact directly encourages poor quality threads. Not closing those threads DOES make it a different board, even without changing the rules. The problem isn't that the threads are "fun"; the problem is they aren't discussion, which this board is for. Making a new board for non-discussion material is the best option.

Before Pig nitpicks at my post like he does with everything else, no, discussion is for serious discussion on serious subjects. Off-Topic is for fun discussion on fun subjects.
I think the thing is that off-topic is for actually talking to each other, versus the fire-and-forget nature of the wibblier threads. I'm well aware that the acronym thread is amusing and requires some creativity, but in the end it's mostly just go in, post an acronym of your name, go back out. You don't need to relate to ANY of the other posts besides the first one, and in fact, most people don't. They can, but they rarely do.

Now, don't get me wrong, i'd be totally fine with a new Wibbles, i'm just saying i can see what the mods are on about. Yes, low-effort threads can be fun, but they might very quickly drown out all other activity if not regulated or at least condensed.
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Originally Posted by wibblefox View Post
wtf is a "good thread" wtf is a "quality post"

You are talking like threads have intrinsic value that needs to be upheld. If someone wants to make a "count to 1000" thread, then what is the problem? It's not "valuable" enough? It's not high enough "quality"?

When I'm talking about quality threads or posts, I'm talking about quality as in the standard that Off-Topic holds. While I can't comment on the true intended purpose of this board since I haven't been around long enough to see it for myself, this board has been the same ever since I would lurk and moderate in it.

Originally Posted by wibblefox View Post
Let's break it down: the purpose of a thread is up to the OP to decide, and up to the community to decide if it is worthy of replying to. There is no inherent value to post count, thread reply count, nor in the existence of threads.

If someone makes a "bad thread" that is "low quality" it is not a problem, just let it die.

It would certainly be a problem if someone made a thread that encouraged people to reply "THE HOLOCAUST WAS A GOOD IDEA", or something equally as stupid and edgy. I can already imagine the hundreds of posts that would garner up.

Originally Posted by wibblefox View Post
No, I'm saying that there is too big a difference between what the users want, and what the staff want.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people making a game thread or posting for fun. Not every post has to be a literary work of art, and spoiler - none of them are.

Sure, nothing is objectively wrong with having a little fun on the internet. However, I (can't speak for the rest of staff) don't intend Off-Topic to be a free-for-all meme posting extravaganza. I am only advocating Off-Topic to stay as it is currently. If Wibbles were to rise again, some sort of change would have to happen to the ToriPrime and VIP boards.

Originally Posted by pusga View Post
It was a fun thread that required a bit of creativity to post but in which everyone could participate. What would have happened had it not been closed? Would it evolve into a thread about nuclear weaponry and someone would learn about the subject and attempt to launch a homemade nuke killing thousands of innocents? Did you really need the extra space on the board for the 2/3 active off topic threads you currently have above a sea of closed/dead threads? #freeAcronyms

Of course, nothing says "creativity" more than pairing the "t" in one's name to "Tit" and the "p" in one's name to "Pussy". I highly doubt any philosophical essays or quantum physics theories would have been exchanged in that thread.
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Not many new innovations occur in content since it's explicitly described to what the staff want. I don't mean topics, I mean what the users have been trying to do now on every single board forever that has been shunned and shamed.

I like the idea of a wibbles, but yeah, toriprime and VIP would need new purpose. On the other hand, a lot of people just buy it for the profile customization. Maybe it it was turned more towards that specifically and possibly add some ingame features, we could have a functioning wibbles board again.

The upside to a wibbles board or some sort of lenient idea for a board would be that it could boost our forum activity which I would give as much support for as I could. Users wouldn't feel stupidly depressed about funny content either hah.
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Can an authority with the power to create new boards (or organise it so it could happen) respond to the idea of bringing the free Wibbles back?
OT was supposed to be the land of threads that aren't shit threads but don't belong elsewhere and posts that aren't shitposts. You could say the quality bar for here is supposed to be higher than the utter turd posted in prime, but still pretty low.

These days it's the land of GREY, starting to look like there's more closed threads than open ones. :/

Sigh inducing reality aside, this area is due to get a poke sometime possibly soon but maybe not... Either way I was talking about it with suo the other week & we pondered what to do about it blah blah.

As for a "free wibbles", NOOOOOPE. There's no need for it now, just shit up your clan board - they had their post count removed for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Moonshake View Post
Of course, nothing says "creativity" more than pairing the "t" in one's name to "Tit" and the "p" in one's name to "Pussy". I highly doubt any philosophical essays or quantum physics theories would have been exchanged in that thread.

Creativity obviously wasn't a main point in my post. Why is it even a problem that someone makes a post including tits and pussy as part of their acronym? I simply can't comprehend why staff cares about shit like this, mostly because it's been written off as "not being the right content for off topic" or "would u like tits and pussy to be written in front of your face". I'm also yet to understand why this kind of content can't exist in Off-Topic. "it's not the point of the board" is not much of an answer because the point of the board is something you can easily change at any point. Having such a square and bizarre way of dealing with this is just ridiculous to me because this board has about 2 active threads most of the time. I don't like visiting Off-Topic and having the choice of posting either in a thread about my favourite holiday (i don't really like them that much) or a thread about afterlife (i don't care). Compulsively deleting posts and closing threads because they aren't intelligent discussions without them actually affecting anybody sounds on par with deleting stuff you don't agree with to me.

Originally Posted by SkulFuk View Post
just shit up your clan board - they had their post count removed for a reason.

who cares about post count though? why not just remove post count completely if it's apparently such a big problem? a lot of times it just seems like staff cares more about preventing people from getting a higher post count instead of preventing people from posting bad content.
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