Toribash
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
I think everyone is either a) a little too nostalgic of that time or b) as not even there but drawing off what they heard from those in category a. It really wasn't all it was cracked up to be and my impression of it was that it was too controversial a board to keep around to keep everyone happy at the same time. Similar to the arguments that are brought up here, people are forgetting there were about as many people complaining about wibbles as people enjoying it back then. I don't think there'll be any change in that. I've always personally preferred the way things currently are (wibbles behind toriprime essentially) as it's fairer that those who don't want to get dragged into wibbles drama as it happens (and it will happen). I've always thought wibbles should be an opt-in deal and the way Toriprime functions is exactly that. I'm all for recreating the board or bringing the old boards back into TP/VIP, but not really too keen to have it become a standard board again.

Interesting how you tried spinning paying for wibbles as 'fairer' for the users.

I hope that's not your official decision. If so, you shouldn't enforce your minority view on the majority, man. You also shouldn't just discount the votes of everybody who voted for wibbles to come back because they're only just being 'ignorant' and 'nostalgic'.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 18, 2016 at 12:19 PM.
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
Like I said, the opt-in is what is fairer, no matter how you do it. Toriprime is the only board in the community that users can currently opt-in to, there's no other parallel to draw currently.

You said people should pay to have access with TC, they should 'win it' in an event, or they should pay for it by some other means. Because that's somehow fairer... Yeah.

You know, every board is already opt-in. No one is forcing precious little petals to post or read threads there or anywhere else. It's all voluntary.

I don't often use the market. I voluntarily chose to 'opt' out of the market by minimising that forum section on the index. That may be 'opt-out', but nobody is getting hurt by having to click a single minimise button. It's also fairer too, since you're not restricting access to everyone in some misguided attempt at ... 'something'. You could even, by default set it so it's already minimised, and then have people 'opt-in' in by maximising it (if you're 'oh so concerned' about 'fairness' and set on having an opt-in system).

If you want actually wanted to be fair, you wouldn't try to make us pay to have it, or to make us win some ridiculous event. If some people are triggered by the mere existance of a board nobody is forcing them to look at (or even make visible (minimize it)), well then that's just ridiculous, and I think those safe-spacers should be safely ignored. They shouldn't have their very minority opinion parroted and championed by the community manager. Having the community steered in that sort of direction into the future is a sure-fire way to turn this place to shit.

Is it really even about fairness though? I doubt it is, because that's just such a loopy and bollocks reason.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 19, 2016 at 02:45 AM.
If that opt in method isnt enough

-PM/query an smod+ for access could well work
Don't dm me pictures of bowls that you find attractive.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
PM/query an smod+ for access could well work

Oh man that sounds like it would result in some pretty unhappy smods
oh yeah
You ignored a very important part of what I said.

So again, we are all perfectly capable of simply minimising sections of the forums. People don't even have to have it visible and taking up space on their index. Or like SmallBowl said, people could PM a higher-up to get access to it. If they find themselves overloaded with work in adding all these people... Well maybe that's a message that it was a dumb idea to make it 'opt-in' in the first place, and nobody else actually shares these 'safe-space' sentiments.

Originally Posted by Gynx
Boards like wibbles bring a lot of blowback and while it would be nice if everyone could enjoy it, a lot of people don't.

Mate, atm over 75% of the community wants it back. People aren't going to shit on you for bringing it back, they're going to shit on you for not bringing it back.

I get that these are just your current thoughts and they don't represent actual policy.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 19, 2016 at 05:42 AM.
Originally Posted by Gynx
"75% of people who quote polls on the internet think they're a valid metric of assessment, 100% of them are wrong." - Tupac Shakur

Ele: "3/4 of us want it back"
Gynx: *ignores democracy, memes it up, trivialises community input*

Originally Posted by Gynx
I'm currently entertaining the idea that we can bring wibbles back despite *me not really wanting it back at all.

Fixed.

I am glad though, really I am, that you're coming around to the idea of having it come back.
Last edited by Ele; Sep 19, 2016 at 06:08 AM.
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
"75% of people who quote polls on the internet think they're a valid metric of assessment, 100% of them are wrong." - Tupac Shakur

here:

"As of ~5 AM GMT over 75% of toribash players who noticed and made the decision to participate in the S&I poll voted in favour of reintroducing wibbles"

is perfectly accurate.


Public optional polling typically attracts people with strong opinions, not necessarily with bearing on whether those opinions are positive or negative *so that shouldn't have a bearing on results

was a bit quick on the trigger there huh
Last edited by pouffy; Sep 19, 2016 at 06:23 AM.
Originally Posted by Gynx View Post
Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me here. The point I was making is that the poll is not necessarily representative of the community. That's all.

Just clarifying. You're acting like it means jack and Ele is acting like it's perfectly representative, and it's neither. A case could be made to justify whether the population polled is representative of the general community, though (which it's probably not terribly far from being in this case).