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Well, it's about that time. I just casted my first ever vote for president this year. When I thought HC would blow out Donald Trump, I was going to vote for Gary Johnson. With this new Anthony Weiner scandal, the race is a lot closer. Had to vote for Trump. I really don't want to live in a HC America.

Anyone else voted yet?
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Originally Posted by Raven View Post
or go bankrupt three times.

Id rather go bankrupt hundreds of times and still be a multi billionaire than be some kid on the internet talking about said person.
Originally Posted by Virus View Post
Id rather go bankrupt hundreds of times and still be a multi billionaire than be some kid on the internet talking about said person.

I dont think any of the presidential candidates fall into the category of "some kid on the internet talking about said person."

However being able to manage a business is very different to being able to manage an economy, being a multi billionaire and having been successful in business does not mean they will be successful managing an economy.

Trump said the US needs to get rid of $19 trillion of debt in the next 8 years and that that is realistic, not only is it not realistic but debt is a necessary part of an economy. If a country is not in debt it is not managing its money properly because it could have spent more money and had better facilities. Of course there is a point to which debt is too much debt and is completely unmanageable; but with the USA's credit rating and size of their economy its a fair assertion that the USA is not at that point.

Not only that but while Trump says the USA's debt needs to be removed he makes proposals that will increase the debt and promises not to use tax rises to cut the debt.
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
I dont think any of the presidential candidates fall into the category of "some kid on the internet talking about said person."

However being able to manage a business is very different to being able to manage an economy, being a multi billionaire and having been successful in business does not mean they will be successful managing an economy.

Trump said the US needs to get rid of $19 trillion of debt in the next 8 years and that that is realistic, not only is it not realistic but debt is a necessary part of an economy. If a country is not in debt it is not managing its money properly because it could have spent more money and had better facilities. Of course there is a point to which debt is too much debt and is completely unmanageable; but with the USA's credit rating and size of their economy its a fair assertion that the USA is not at that point.

Not only that but while Trump says the USA's debt needs to be removed he makes proposals that will increase the debt and promises not to use tax rises to cut the debt.

Not exactly sure if you read what I said correctly and where you were trying to go with that but ok.
Big day for Trump today. He's finally came within the 1% line so I guess people are starting to vote for the correct candidate and because the FBI got the warrent to go through 650k emails in a.weiners computer.


Also, #Hillaryforprison was trending on twitter
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What are your opinions involving the FBI and the Hatch act?
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Originally Posted by Virus View Post
Not exactly sure if you read what I said correctly and where you were trying to go with that but ok.

Here is what you said
Id rather go bankrupt hundreds of times and still be a multi billionaire than be some kid on the internet talking about said person

The point youre trying to make is redundent because none of the presidential candidates fall into that category.

The rest of my post was separate to the response to this and raised a point about Trumps economics. Not really sure what was confusing or why youve decided to address my post and none of the points either.


Big day for Trump today. He's finally came within the 1% line so I guess people are starting to vote for the correct candidate and because the FBI got the warrent to go through 650k emails in a.weiners computer.


Also, #Hillaryforprison was trending on twitter

Can I ask you what positives you think Trump has as a candidate? (This question does not say what negatives does Hillary have)
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Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
The point youre trying to make is redundent because none of the presidential candidates fall into that category.


Can I ask you what positives you think Trump has as a candidate? (This question does not say what negatives does Hillary have)

I was also talking about the person above me and not an actual candidate i thought it was clear but i guess not my bad.




positives you think Trump

Donald Trump on Foreign Policy
Donald Trump on Abortion
Donald Trump on Budget & Economy even though it's a little hypocritical when he almost doubles the economy but they both do
Donald Trump on Civil Rights
Donald Trump on Gun Control
Donald Trump on Immigration
Donald Trump on War & Peace
How I viewed the Trump vs Hilary thing is

i looked at both candidates.

We have Clinton and Trump.

I judged them based on two things important to running the country their Temperament and Policies.

There are many people in the US in many different classes and have many different needs. So with policies its really opinionated. Because some policies can benefit some can prove less beneficial to others and vice versa. Their aren't many policies that make all the parties happy, so with policies it's difficult to judge who has better policies because the questions is "Who is it better for?" The same policies that benefit a blue collar might not benefit a white collar. Or a low class citizen or upper class.

Being a president is not just about the policies you put into action either, it's that and then some. So for people who are voting for a president based solely off his or her policies needs to reevaluate their party candidate.

So with policies out of the way what does that leave? Temperament. So since being president is not JUST about
the policies you bring to the table, but how you handle new or unforseen issues in and outside you're country.

Who would be better to handle those issues? Trump or Hilary?

Well the questions leads to what makes a good leader.
The ability to keep a level head in high pressured situations.
And the ability to effectively inspire and motivate people for a cause.
NOT your ideas. Because you can have great ideas (policies) but it's more about
how you go about making those ideas a reality that makes you a leader.

So who can do these things better. The reason why I went with Hilary is because
of her temperament. She stays calm and collected and strategizes and is
always prepared even on the fly. This is a great leadership trait.

Then i looked at trump who is HIGHLY emotion driven and rarely ever
follows a plan of attack besides finding a weak point and milking the hell out of it.
He has little to no self control over what he does and says.
And follows a code of vengeance like this is a 6th Century Anglo-Saxon Novel.

A leader who lets emotion cloud his/her judgement is not a very effective leader
as in high pressured situations your emotions can lead you to make decisions or
say things that you will highly regret later. Such as trump saying he will
not accept the turn out of the election which undermines everything democracy stands for.

So to conclude that argument, if we were picking who has better leadership
qualities it would clearly be Hilary as she is very much less emotionally driven
and conducts her self in an orderly, strategized, and professional manner. And
her pros vastly out weigh her cons compared to Donald.

I would not want the temperament of trump representing this country.

But lets look at these Candidates history, as this is also causes controversy.
So we have Hilary who has a past of lying, (Hiding the emails), and a few
not so pretty records of her work as a senator. (Benghazi)

Then we have trump, a past drenched with rape accusations, sexual assault accusations,
a couple companies bankrupt, a record of aggressive, insulting, and disrespectful comments
towards other ethnic classes, veterans, and women. Also countless controversial videos
of him saying these aggressive, insulting, and disrespectful comments. Tries to convince people
his arguements are sound by "assuring us they are sound and we know it."

I could go on and on with Donald, but if I described these two people and said one of them is
the president of the united states, who would you believe is president? Exactly.
Donald Trump acts like a businessman, Hilary acts like a politician. Two people who can get very ugly. The two biggest things Trump Supporters use on hilary is the fact that she lies and her past mistakes, but come on, what businessman or politician DOESNT lie? You can't single out her as a liar when most politicians have or do lie through their teeth countless times. And every human makes mistakes, and Hilary at least tries to own up to most of them while Trump has to "build a wall" around his ego and deny, deny deny, or justify. But most mistakes Hilary has made has been because of an error or flaw in her decision making skill. <- Which you can learn from. But Donald Trump's mistakes are results of his personality. Something you don't just Change that easily, especially at his age. "You can't teach an old dog new tricks." So Donald is clearly one that will continue to make these mistakes if he becomes president while theres a much greater chance Hilary will learn from hers.

(I'm avoiding the topic of the Immigration conflict as that will take too long to flesh out my opinion)

So to conclude this wall of text bigger then that of Donald's Promised Wall. (which btw he didn't have the balls to bring up when he was with the Mexican President)

When it comes down to who would make a better president, it's clear the more qualified
person is Hilary.

Even if Donald has better policies. If two people play chess or fight and you have a better strategy/technique, if you are emotionally inclined or unstable when put under pressure it will be VERY easy for your opponent or enemy to exploit that weakness, manipulate you and then swiftly become your own demise.

But the difference is you won't be just losing at chess, bankrupting a business, or getting beat up. This is a country we are talking about that will face the consequences.

See you guys on Novemeber 8th #DownWithDonald
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Donald Trump played this election like a champ. He had a huge strategy. He didn't open up with such jarring statements on what needs to be done in America because he's dumb, He drew SOOOOO much attention to himself, Phase 1 done. He saved tons of money with free advertisements and already has many votes because well... sad to say it America is still kind of like that.

He began to lean back on such statements started putting. Yes, the weaker of the Candidates on the spot, They couldn't rebuttal, not sure if they were told to say nothing, but American's clearly wants a leader who doesn't stand down and is proud of his homeland. Then he started tackling the more sensitive topics later down the line with actual things to say.

that's the jist of what I got. For donald since he had A LOT more air time in Canada then Hilary, Damn what a move. The only reason why I heard parts of his other speeches too, the ones that made some semblance of truth.