I doubt that there would be significant effect on time, since nothing is forcing you to use all joints/bodyparts on every move. When I play I typically just change 4-5 joints per turn.

At least making what Oracle is saying mod-able sounds very very reasonable. (and making the amount of joints mod-able as well while we're at it)
If only, forearm 90º rotation and thigh rotation would be a great addition for broader movements with only 8 more joint states to be added.

"Competitively", it's jumping from 20 to 22 joints. I don't see how that'd change the needed reaction time from 60 seconds or so, to 5 minutes.

As for the weird DM's that could come out of it, we're going to have a whole new engine.
DM's can be finally be newly coded into something more predictable and without the weird little glitches that we currently have.

The increased difficulty for new players is something that actually matters, though.
That in particularly is what I truly hope they focus on for this new "game", with a lot of new approaches that "hold the hand" of people who open the game for the first time.
If a lot of strategies towards that are employed, in my opinion, it isn't the addition of 2 new "joints" that will make the game more unplayable than it already is.


Back when there was a "FRAME" line limit for every replay there was a lot of people that said you didn't need to make replays with more than what already existed.
Same goes for the old limit for objects in a mod.
Working those out increased the complexity of the game by a lot, and allowed multiple MB replays to exist as well as amazing mods that I'm sure would have made a huge difference back when we actually had a bigger userbase.


Right now the only way to make it happen is by using an extremely tedious hack that is just not feasible without writing scripts specifically for it.



I don't completely advocate for the addition of those 2 joints to the default Tori because of the "new-players" issue, but there is a lot of potential behind allowing the number of joints to be mod-able and allow what Oracle described to be possible.

tl;dr: Make the number of joints(/bodyparts) mod-able in order to allow what Oracle described to be possible.

Just allow players to add their own joints

Uhm, any new news?

Are u guys testing it or what is this rotation issue.

About what has bean discussed i would like to add that if u break thouse 20 joints x 4 moves each into math it will be a ridiculous number. A few k moves that are possible with adding 2 or more movent possibilitys is not much.

What default toris are isn't super important as long as modmakers can change them in their own mods. I mean radical changes, like adding joints. Maybe even adding body parts. That would really open up the world of possibilities. We could make tori have 4 arms, like Goro, for a "boss fight" in a hotseat mod. We could turn uke into a giant spider, or a horse, or a dinosaur. More importantly, we'd be able to make models that offer very high degree of control and have super realistic ranges of motion, for those players who like that.

Staff are going to be the same for toribash and toribash next?

and more training bots

oh wait,did hampa said he was going to implement rotation.

i seriously need to reconsider being in the forums with my ipad.

also...there will be an standalone release....right?

Best way I can see is what odlov and oblivion are saying. Give a userbase a powerful and relativly easy creation kit, the next game will be successful regardless of what it may be lacking on release. Blizzard and Bethesda did this well.

Any idea of what is going to be done with the achievements regarding Toribash next? Is it going to have its own achievement system? Will there even be any achievements? Is it going to use the current achievement system?