It just so happens, that we as a clan decided to hold off on making Parakeet live until we had actually went and raised our membercap.
We raised it, we have spots now. We started Parakeet. It has in no way shape or form changed from the original post almost a month ago til now one what it was going to be or what it is now. Rai and duck both approved it. They approved an even more outrageous version.
We raised it, we have spots now. We started Parakeet. It has in no way shape or form changed from the original post almost a month ago til now one what it was going to be or what it is now. Rai and duck both approved it. They approved an even more outrageous version.
Last edited by Ping; Nov 18, 2017 at 09:54 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele
Your whole bullshit argument there sir is based on the unfounded assumption that we created Parakeet just to avoid a membercap.
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So kindly piss off with your bullshit argument based on membercap limits, sir.
Please Ele, I know you can read; my post wasn't just about the membercap.
Originally Posted by Ele
That was not the case. We wanted to develop players who wouldn't normally get into Parrot into players who could. Not a lot of people who apply for Parrot end up getting in. Parakeet would develop members into better members. That was the point of it.
That's exactly what I said in the beginning of my post, yes. You want to be able to recruit new people but don't want them to have Parrot tag because making sure they're worth it takes time you don't want to spend. But isn't that something that you have to do when your clan is massively known? What makes you unable to recruit them to Parrot now, put them in some "Recruits" rank with no management perms and give them guidance until they can become full members?
Saying it again, to me it looks like you found a loophole in a system, tried to abuse it but started whining when it got closed. There may be more reasons why you think a child clan is necessary but so far I haven't seen any of you mention it.
From my understanding Parakeet was made so we'd get to know more people who would otherwise be unknown. I have never been a famous person, staff, and didn't really know people in Parrot for the most part, but here I am, in Parrot for like 3-4 years and I feel like I fit in and made a lot of friends. Truth is, that age where we would accept random people who seemed cool and had a good app are somewhat over. We've built up a reputation and consider our member spots a lot highly that we'd rather not risk adding some random person we don't know who made a good app. While just adding well known people is good and all, it doesn't add a WHOLE LOT of interesting discussions and such.
So, we decided to have an unofficial clan for people to assimilate into Parrot. Its not strictly a feeder clan, more of an extension to the Parrot community. While this may seem pointless to some, its simply the most convenient one for us. We are a clan that heavily uses irc still and only a portion of us use Discord. Instead of having interested people hang out in irc to meet some of us and use Discord to meet some more, and post in our forums to meet with the rest, why not just just give them an existing community? The reasoning is simple: People don't like to wait. A person who isn't well known but would otherwise be an enjoyable addition would probably not get in for a few weeks, and eventually give up and join another clan. Another recruit lost because we're strict in our applicants.
Instead of that, extend them an invite to Parakeet. They may find that they enjoy the players there enough to stay, and maybe if they're more close to the Parrot clan we can send them an invite. I really don't see a moral issue with this. we aren't doing this for a higher membercap, we aren't going to farm wars on them (you can spy on our war history if you don't believe me), and the argument that we're going to ruin other unofficial clans is honestly a little ridiculous. Does anyone remember Bleu? Clans were thriving even though they were accepting any and all applicants, which is more than Parakeet would accept.
I'm just trying to get our point across without being rude, a lot of other Parrots feel extremely shafted because we put a lot of work into this only for it to be shut down for what some people believe is a personal beef, which I can personally attest to as a real possibility.
So, we decided to have an unofficial clan for people to assimilate into Parrot. Its not strictly a feeder clan, more of an extension to the Parrot community. While this may seem pointless to some, its simply the most convenient one for us. We are a clan that heavily uses irc still and only a portion of us use Discord. Instead of having interested people hang out in irc to meet some of us and use Discord to meet some more, and post in our forums to meet with the rest, why not just just give them an existing community? The reasoning is simple: People don't like to wait. A person who isn't well known but would otherwise be an enjoyable addition would probably not get in for a few weeks, and eventually give up and join another clan. Another recruit lost because we're strict in our applicants.
Instead of that, extend them an invite to Parakeet. They may find that they enjoy the players there enough to stay, and maybe if they're more close to the Parrot clan we can send them an invite. I really don't see a moral issue with this. we aren't doing this for a higher membercap, we aren't going to farm wars on them (you can spy on our war history if you don't believe me), and the argument that we're going to ruin other unofficial clans is honestly a little ridiculous. Does anyone remember Bleu? Clans were thriving even though they were accepting any and all applicants, which is more than Parakeet would accept.
I'm just trying to get our point across without being rude, a lot of other Parrots feel extremely shafted because we put a lot of work into this only for it to be shut down for what some people believe is a personal beef, which I can personally attest to as a real possibility.
FIRED UP
Originally Posted by Yuma
Y'all saying that Parakeet was made because Parrot wants to see a new wave of players in their group, but want to maintain the image and prestige that people associate with the clan name.
Because of this, y'all cannot just pick any random person out there, and those who join rarely fit the quota (assuming they weren't discouraged to apply at all).
Instead of relying on the current recruitment system, you folks decide to make a child clan as a way to "mold" players into what you deem fit instead of sitting there hoping someone good shows up. A mutually beneficial relationship.
A more active way of working with the community to increase your ranks w/o being saturated with crap.
Eh?
Yes and no. We aren't afraid to hide that we're pretty elitist, but you don't have to try and make us look like jerks for it. We aren't trying to mold people to our fitting, just trying to scope out any outstanding members who would otherwise be unseen. Also, Parakeets isn't totally made just to feed members into Parrot, its another separate community that we can take part in while also making sure we have at least a little bit of control who's in it, just a lot less strict as Parrot is.
Last edited by Hush; Nov 18, 2017 at 10:25 AM.
FIRED UP
i personally think the reasoning behind disallowing clans like parakeet is just. i also think toribash is not a constitutional democracy, and it shouldn't be, because it's simply a community for a company who made an online ragdoll simulation game. having the community make the rules does not work the same way it does in the real world. also polls don't really work if you're having a head start of ~50 people. using the forums as a means of feedback is ok but i personally think you could've read the rules for the staff complaints section and contacted rai first as he has ultimate responsibility over this decision, before goading the entire community against this decision.
also if parrot can have parakeet back, then TLL gets [BIG] back ok
also if parrot can have parakeet back, then TLL gets [BIG] back ok
Last edited by Slau; Nov 18, 2017 at 10:33 AM.
