Original Post
Multiclans
Originally Posted by Rai
Now that the initial heat has died down from this situation, there has been some posts with good points brought up and I am keen to see the direction that the discussion takes. What I'd recommend is that you start a thread in the Suggestions and Ideas board and direct people from the Off-Topic thread there where we can try to build something better.
The purpose of this thread is develop a solution to this recent mess regarding Parakeet. Use this thread to suggest alternative solutions to the problems perceived by clan staff.
The problems as clan staff see it:
Our rational is as so:
Parent-child, sibling, feeder or any type of multi-clans like this circumvent many intentional limitations placed on toriclans:
- member limits
- easy war farming
- easy achievement farming
- easy xp farming in general
- much larger (unfairly so) catchment for new recruits
- two recruitment threads, one usually in a space reserved exclusively for unofficial clans
- potential to play twice in clan events
- undefined interaction with activity checking
This Off-Topic thread, started when this new rule banning 'multi-clans' was implemented, has several suggestions for alternate solutions to clan staff's concerns, as well as arguments addressing the validity of clan staff's concerns. That thread should be considered required reading before posting here. I think Redundant's post, especially, shines a light on several good points.
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My solutions to some the concerns raised:
Member limits - If a clan is formed for the sole purpose of de facto raising the member cap of another clan, then sure, ban that. You don't need to ban 'multi-clans' to do this, simply make a rule that says 'Abuse of the membercap system will not be tolerated'. Then, if it ever does happen that a clan is created to raise the membercap of another, you can stop them under that rule.
Easy war/xp/achievement farming - As above, make a rule that forbids abuse of the war + achievement system. Assumedly this rule would already exist. There's no need to over-bureaucratize this.
Potential to play twice in clan events - If they're two seperate clans, with two seperate memberlists, I don't see the problem. If you suspect collusion would happen, ban collusion.
Undefined interaction with activity checking - I'll define it for you. Clans are active, or they lose their board. Both clans would have to be active (if both clans were official (since unofficial clans don't get activity checked)). This is really a non-problem.
Last edited by Ele; Nov 19, 2017 at 08:43 PM.
Originally Posted by Ele
@Pouffy Perhaps just don't post?
Read around it? I made tons of valid points in that post, as well as rule suggestions. Show me the lie dude and I'll delete it.
Last edited by pouffy; Nov 19, 2017 at 10:34 PM.
Reason: ayylmao
Why does it have to be another clan? If you want to make a training ground to prepare people for Parrot, can't you use other means instead of bumping small unofficial clans to the 2nd page? If Parakeet doesn't aim to be prestigious and is simply used for feeding Parrot new members, does it need the benefits that come with the clan system, like warring and ranking? And I doubt it needs its own dsc either, considering that everyone uses discord or irc for chatting. Make a pseudo dsc thread in your main clan's board if necessary.
If you want to implement an official feeder clan system, it would probably be better to make it a sub section of the main clan rather than hosting it outside and taking space in the clan board, which is one of the most active boards plus it would be bad for the smaller unofficial clans as it was already mentioned a bunch of times.
If you're so repulsed by other people that you simply don't want them near you until they're parrot approved, then I don't really know what to say and I have no input on the matter.
If you want to implement an official feeder clan system, it would probably be better to make it a sub section of the main clan rather than hosting it outside and taking space in the clan board, which is one of the most active boards plus it would be bad for the smaller unofficial clans as it was already mentioned a bunch of times.
If you're so repulsed by other people that you simply don't want them near you until they're parrot approved, then I don't really know what to say and I have no input on the matter.
oh yeah
I don't think any Parrot would be against some sort of system where trials can be identified by a different tag, but still technically in the Parrot toriclan
Parakeet would simply be a tag for trial Parrot members, and all this potential for abusing toriclans systems would be gone
Perhaps this is the compromise people will be willing to accept
@Pouffy: You've been nothing but negative and hostile in your posts, idk why you're being so aggressive about it but if you want anyone to take you seriously you need to tone it down
Parakeet would simply be a tag for trial Parrot members, and all this potential for abusing toriclans systems would be gone
Perhaps this is the compromise people will be willing to accept
@Pouffy: You've been nothing but negative and hostile in your posts, idk why you're being so aggressive about it but if you want anyone to take you seriously you need to tone it down
FIRED UP
Originally Posted by Hush
I don't think any Parrot would be against some sort of system where trials can be identified by a different tag, but still technically in the Parrot toriclan
Parakeet would simply be a tag for trial Parrot members, and all this potential for abusing toriclans systems would be gone
this would be a nice system but someone mentioned earlier it could be a lot of work for the devs to implement
