The Rise and Fall of Toribash

McFarbo

May 29, 2018

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May 29, 2018

Originally Posted by Lucy

It's just trends as well, back then video editing used to be big, those people more than likely moved on from the and became busy and not as many took their place, same with texturing and marketing. I can't see a current trend right now, but it seems its texturing.

its hard to even do anything now because of how much the staff patrol the art / video sections of the site, you can't leave any type of criticism without being infracted

also this shit is a joke, who hired this guy

wtf

Ceres

May 29, 2018

Ceres

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May 29, 2018

Originally Posted by Mallymkun

Hi, OP.

I am also a fairly old Toribash gamer. I started around 2009 and have been an on-and-off community member ever since. I probably had the most fun and enjoyment in the 2010-2012 period, where I met many online users I considered friends under the name of MintCat (I was also a massive shitposter, but hey!). Like you, I discovered Toribash on Youtube, when I had this interest in 'ragdoll physics' games.

It is sad to see the game's community activity drop significantly since then, but it's wholly understandable why it's happened. There's been no push by the team to keep Toribash relevant, plus the fact that the game's mechanism is totally mind-boggling to any new players.

Toribash's push to the Nintendo Wii was an exercise in futility. Its inclusion on Steam worked well for a brief while, I believe, but even that couldn't sustain the numbers needed to keep Toribash relevant and interesting. It has needed a change in the gameplay for a long, long time; not just various dojos and user-created maps, but different game modes that make the most of the engine and keep the game fresh.

All that will carry on is threads like these being made of people reminiscing about the good times they had on here. I'm happy that other people got as much enjoyment as I did, no matter what year you joined, you've still been a part of an underground community that's stayed loyal to a game they genuinely love, a game that's different and original, hard as fuck, but the best games test players' ability.

I always preferred the forum anyway, but even that's shrivelled... or maybe it was just me.

Yeah, this is basically what I was saying, except it’s a lot less cluttered.

I noticed the part where you mentioned the Wii version of TB, and I actually bought the Wii version, and I still have it to this day. To be honest, the Wii version isn’t all that great, imo it’s probably harder for a beginner to grasp the concept of the Wii version rather than PC. It’s confusing and too difficult to move all the joints around with the Wii controller, and overall not the best experience.

Oh, also, does anyone remember Minibash?

Tarlan

May 30, 2018

Tarlan

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Join Date: Oct 2006

May 30, 2018

This game is more about the community, than the game itself. When your friends leave you have nothing to do, but go inactive in time too.

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Lucy

May 31, 2018

Lucy

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May 31, 2018

Originally Posted by McFarbo

its hard to even do anything now because of how much the staff patrol the art / video sections of the site, you can't leave any type of criticism without being infracted

also this shit is a joke, who hired this guy

wtf

You couldn't put it any better, staff do ruin the fun as time goes on, seeing rules being implemented, or rule changes that made the forums "fun" is just this thing where you can't really express anything, you have to make your own art boards on discord or clan threads and that won't even guarantee exposure or real basic cnc, no one really has the time to make a basic criticism a piece of art cause public forum is just annoying,

Also seeing these new features without public polls and whatnot, I personally don't like random things being added without further discussion with the public,

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Arctic

May 31, 2018

Arctic

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Join Date: Nov 2012

May 31, 2018

this also sort of applies to the post above

Originally Posted by McFarbo

its hard to even do anything now because of how much the staff patrol the art / video sections of the site, you can't leave any type of criticism without being infracted

this isn't even true at all anymore, just read the art board rules

-Please post constructively. This is as simple as explaining why you like/dislike something, and does not need to be difficult.
-Posts in threads prefixed with [CnC] must be constructive (explaining why) criticism (explaining how to improve). All other posts in such threads will be warned, infracted, and/or deleted.

this was changed when i still was smod, in mid/late 2017, iirc. all you have to do is post something like "nice, the shading is good" or "not nice, the eyes look awful", or anything like that. if people actually want constructive criticism only, they need to add the prefix to their threads.

plus, when it comes to certain types of videos, a lot of them are posted in e&m, which barely has any rules. few boards have strict rules nowadays, really.

in the other hand, i can agree that the forums are not very entertaining after u spend a lot of time here. there's not many interesting/fun threads to post in, almost makes me want to suggest that wibbles should be free again, but wibbles 2.0 was so cancerous, unfunny and trash to moderate that it really makes me question if it could ever be fun
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oye also unicorn is genuinely the most active es member rn

Last edited by Arctic; May 31, 2018 at 02:09 AM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump

That was really bad sorry.
Someone tell me why this guy is highly respected by some people ???

Lucy

Jun 1, 2018

Lucy

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Join Date: Dec 2010

Jun 1, 2018

Originally Posted by Arctic

this also sort of applies to the post above
this isn't even true at all anymore, just read the art board rulesthis was changed when i still was smod, in mid/late 2017, iirc. all you have to do is post something like "nice, the shading is good" or "not nice, the eyes look awful", or anything like that. if people actually want constructive criticism only, they need to add the prefix to their threads.

If this is true, then the rules already affected many people to the point they don't bother to check in the art board, I know I rarely ever visit the art board anymore, only hop on on requests and jump off, I used to even enjoy posting in the art board but just seeing as how "everything" you post will just get infracted, couldn't really express any sort of opinion without having to write a paragraph. Even if something needs the smallest of cnc. It really ruined the art board imo.

rules are good but too many just pushes everyone away, wibbles 2.0 was pretty good for the most part when it was free, I personally didn't see anything bad other than the occasional goatse, that was easily fixed with a ban or just a thread deletion though, wibbles is meant to be cancer for the most part, and it was fun cause it lacked rules, it was one of the only places where you can say anything without having some staff breathing down your neck and threatening you with infractions. If I remember, wibbles was extremely active, until a paywall was added, many didn't like it but those that made the decision didn't really show remorse. I still don't even use wibbles cause I'm against that decision.

Also this gets brought up a lot, but many players have issues with staff, shouldn't that mean anything?
Should it be adressed?
I try to give the benefit of the doubt but some staff tend to get some sort of complex,
Even with community changes/additions/decisions there doesn't seem to be much staff to general population communication, I know there's the suggestions and ideas board, most of those are player ideas, would be really insightful to know what's being worked on and if it should be continued since what really makes the forums live is the players itself, when nothing is addressed or acknowledged that just seems to cause people to withdraw from posting.
Don't get me wrong, a lot of staff are pretty cool, until they are against you, then it's hard to actually be in the right, since they don't have to believe you, it's just seems they aren't people at some point. I understand you're all busy but you were once general pop once.

haha didn't think I would write this much, excuse if my structures is fucked.

Last edited by Lucy; Jun 1, 2018 at 07:31 AM.

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McFarbo

Jun 2, 2018

McFarbo

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Jun 2, 2018

Originally Posted by Lucy

I try to give the benefit of the doubt but some staff tend to get some sort of complex

This is is very true. Plenty of staff begin to develop a complex thinking they are better than everyone else and everyone around them feels it, turning people away. I can easily list a few right here but I don't want to get banned lol.

Staff have also been very biased against me personally many times, this is the most recent thing, i'll give a quick run down

I dueled Apricity 300k vs 20$ to 3 wins (his USD), he scams me, I report him, the report gets closed within hours and nobody gets banned because USD scams aren't supported (even though Apricity is / was bos, zt)

(for backround info natejas scammed me out of a clockwork8 head first)

So I dueled my TC vs Natejas USD, he won and I scammed him since USD duels aren't supported, but guess what? I get perma banned on my main. I get it, I shouldn't have scammed, but how are you going to tell me a duel isn't valid and close my report but turn around and ban me for the same exact thing?

Pegasus

Jun 2, 2018

Pegasus

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Join Date: Jan 2015

Jun 2, 2018

Toribash is an oldschool nerd game, who's inside the community loves it, and who's outside just don't understand or don't WANTS TO have patience to play.
Like, you have AAA games, games where you follow the objective and complete it;
The competitive games, where is compete with all the world;
And games like toribash, if you enter in the first time, you wont do shit and thinks "what a retard game", OR this person will uninstall thi game forever, OR will play it for a long time.
Unfortunately the majority prefers to unninstall it.
I think Toribash will be it forever, and i'm happy i was the part who likes it.

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Lucy

Jun 2, 2018

Lucy

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Jun 2, 2018

Originally Posted by McFarbo

This is is very true. Plenty of staff begin to develop a complex thinking they are better than everyone else and everyone around them feels it, turning people away. I can easily list a few right here but I don't want to get banned lol.

Staff have also been very biased against me personally many times, this is the most recent thing, i'll give a quick run down

I dueled Apricity 300k vs 20$ to 3 wins (his USD), he scams me, I report him, the report gets closed within hours and nobody gets banned because USD scams aren't supported (even though Apricity is / was bos, zt)

(for backround info natejas scammed me out of a clockwork8 head first)

So I dueled my TC vs Natejas USD, he won and I scammed him since USD duels aren't supported, but guess what? I get perma banned on my main. I get it, I shouldn't have scammed, but how are you going to tell me a duel isn't valid and close my report but turn around and ban me for the same exact thing?

Yeah man, as a lurker in the staff complaint thread, I've seen countless times where staff are in the wrong or they try to be right in a shady situation where there's no real right.
Of course staff are just busy people and they make mistakes too, and I respect those that admit to it.
and obviously a lot of players complain and they are wrong, whatever but there's been many times where it seems staff are right cause they have the say, lately though seeing a staff trial being denied due to flaming is actually somewhat good to see, since also seeing that staff will almost take another staff's side (cough Kyure cough).
They even made a long post trying to defend kyure, when most new staff don't even get this much of leeway.

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there has been repercussion, he's been reprimanded several times (at least once per handled staff complaint involving him, probably more) and he's been working on improving more every time he is reprimanded. what blows my mind is that you assume that making mistakes is not natural for a new staff member. sure, maybe he's had the most attention and maybe he's made more mistakes than the rest, but there's been worse in the past; it's all a process of ironing out the kinks and working with said staff member to help better them as a staff member. he is not the only one to make mistakes after the recruitment drive, we literally added 11 new smods to the team - there is clearly going to be a lot of room for mistakes and the best thing to do is work through them and make sure that whenever one of them makes a mistake that they understand what went wrong and how to fix said problem in the future. in regards to 'any shitlord on toribash could dedicate to become a moderator' - yes, anyone can become a moderator, we're not going to introduce bias into our system because a minority of close-minded band-wagoners are upset about members like kyure becoming smod. if we're talking about someone such as tbashboii who is known for literally hacking the forums and is currently on a zero tolerance list, no, they will never have a chance at becoming a staff member because it imposes security risks and etc., but that's just how it is. kyure has made mistakes, sure, but for the majority (looking at the recent work he's done in reports and the like), he's been doing good work.

going to ignore your example because you provided 0 evidence of said case (great staff complaint!)

if he's abusing his powers in private servers, then what is stopping people like you from taking screenshots and sending them to me or any other admin or higher up? the few cases we've seen regarding this have already been handled, not sure what your complaint is here.

to answer your question, yes, we've probably scolded him the most out of any other staff member. no, we do not think about it and then say fuck it and let it happen over and over again. yes, i'm answering these questions seriously.

there is little difference between gm msquad clan mod and smod, these are all positions of power that include moderation - but i'll accept that you're ignorant to said fact and explain the situation. out of the 11 smods we recruited in the drive, we were looking mainly at fresh faces, meaning people who haven't had much contact with staff or people like lazors who was a lmod at the time and wanted to work his way up. smod is not that high of a position (i think you look at it as like an administrative role, if i were making these mistakes, then you'd be correct), and mistakes are more than expected for the first few months. no one is perfect, people are always going to make mistakes, and to expect otherwise is inane - please remember that all positions on the forums are voluntary. if kyure is consistently making the same mistakes after working with him on not making said mistakes, then yes, more severe actions will be taken, but as it stands he hasn't made the same mistakes that he's been reprimanded for.

regardless of all of the above, i could have completely ignored your complaint because you didn't even bother to provide evidence or anything relating to the kyure case. if you wish to complain about members of staff like this without evidence, PM the staff member's higher-up. next time i see something like this you will be infracted.

Just checking out page 6 and up, you'll see how much he was defended.
Hopefully that never happens again, was fun to see it unravel tho.

Last edited by Lucy; Jun 2, 2018 at 07:28 AM.

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duck

Jun 2, 2018

duck

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Jun 2, 2018

I cannot, for whoever's sake, believe that kyure is still talked about.
To do you a favor, I checked all the reports that have been made against him. Our of all of them, the one that actually held any sort of weight (read: reasonable to fire for) was the whole avatar duel scam deal.
There were literally more reports saying "cmon kyure has too many complaints fire him" than reports that were anyhow significant.

Mcfarbo: If you have any sort of evidence that supports your "hrm staff are power fuelled fuckwads" viewpoint you can present it to literally any of the higher ups, me included. Or, if it's about us, you go higher (suo/skul/sir). And higher if you feel like those 3 are the worst, straight to hampa. Peddling this stance of "I can show you that staff are bad but I'd get banned" is a) unfounded and b) literally useless aside from broadening this gap between the playerbase and staff members that you lot like to talk about.

On the point of TB dying. As said before, TB is a niche indie game that just isn't going to be as big as minecraft or whatever. Forums barely get visited because forums generally are a time forsaken utility, but you get to enjoy the niche community they retain. The game is being updated and toyed around with to appeal to a new playerbase. TBN is getting made with more of a "let's push it to the people" standpoint. There are efforts to get this game not to die in the next few weeks.

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