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Well, for the past couple weeks I've been in preparation with my first trip which was an eighth of shrooms last night. I had a great time and had some mild visuals and just felt incredible euphoria. I made sure that I was with trusted people and was in an environment in which I felt safe. Overall, I would recommend someone with an open mind and clear mind to take shrooms if they are interested. I wasn't stressing over it, I had mild come up anxiety but other than that it was great.

From this experience what I take is that this drug should be decriminalized and that people should go for it if they feel they are ready.
Originally Posted by SmallBowl View Post
I would like to see your sources for the first and third claims - although I don't doubt that they are true, whats important isn't the number of homocides, rather the number of homocides per 100,000 drivers or people who use the drug.

Whether the drug "causes" or "triggers" schizophrenia isn't really that relevant, if it has the effect of triggering schizophrenia then it's dangerous in the same way.

There are no peer reviewed studies to gather that data as the drug is illegal, making it very difficult to conduct those. Makes me wonder if only there were a way to fix that issue. There is no problem with handling the use of psychedelics in a similar way to alcohol being that there are DWI laws, age restrictions, and no criminal penalties for people that consume it and follow the law otherwise. I find it ironic that those who claim to be all for citizens' well-being usually also are fine with branding people who consume a substance, and otherwise mind their own business, as felons. As if throwing people in jail, spending tax money to take care of them while incarcerated, and diminishing their quality of life after prison due to being labeled a felon, is what is beneficial for society.
Psychedelics definitely have their place in human experience.

Our sight, as our brain process electromagnetic waves, creates an image. As Anil Seth puts it, a "controlled hallucination. This is to say that whatever we see and experience now, is nothing more than a hallucination, and whatever we do, induces it one way or the other.

This being said, I feel there shouldnt be a law or rulebook on what we can do with our own bodies, and further, conscienceness experimentation. To say plainly, I believe its silly for someone to be thrown into prison for obtaining and eating a hit of cid, or an 8th of mushrooms . And the degree they are prosecuted is based upon laws talking of the potency and danger of a drug, which cannot be tested due to laws against their nature. Its a bit of a catch 22, and I feel its for good reason.

The government went on a witch hunt, banning all sorts of psychoactive substances, including alcohol, marijuana, mushrooms, etc. This is due to many reasons, but mainly it was political reasons.

"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." [Ehrlichman, Nixons right hand man in 1968]

By vilifying the drug itself, then associating it with certain groups, they were able to divide us as a country, and as a people. The people who push the propaganda saying drugs are bad as a whole are profiting from people going to prison for it.

Some fun facts about private prisons -
-The biggest private prison owner in America, The Corrections Corporation of America, has seen its profits increase by more than 500% in the past 20 years. (yes, PROFITS)
-100% of all military helmets, ID tags, bullet-proof vests and canteens are created in federal prison systems through prison labor.
-States sign agreements with private prisons to guarantee that they will fill a certain number of beds in jail at any given point. The most common rate is 90%, though some prisons are able to snag a 100% promise from their local governments. Because of these contracts, the state is obligated to keep prisons almost full at all times or pay for the beds anyway, so the incentive is to incarcerate more people and for longer in order to fill the quota.
[2013 statistics from truth-out.org]

So to me, it makes money for people to be in jail. Not only does it make money, its written out in contract in such a way that the state PAYS the federal government PER BED no matter if they are filled or not. This is a huge incentive to keep the beds filled. The war on drugs is another huge way to get people there. That is along with revenue the state is making per case against nonviolent offenders with a drug related case.

Not to mention the whole D.A.R.E campaign.. going and telling kids all about these "fun, but bad" drugs. Its like holding the forbidden fruit; it makes you want it more. To me, this would be a direct relation on why so many people think drugs are bad without having done them. We had a line drawn in the sand, and now people still are picking sides with propagandized information.

Which brings me to the last point I'll adress. If you were to legalize all drugs, the usage would go down exponentially, seeing that people who want to do it out of curiosity could, while seeing the exact effects of the drug on the persons life. This would also open a door for real scientific research to be done, and not slandering of what we think we know about these drugs.
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I think Psychadelics should be legal, people can learn a lot from the experience they have. I've taken acid about 7 times and have had some really scary experiences / bad trip. The first 2 trips I had after drinking a lot of alcohol which was a big factor in the bad trips. Looking back now I think those bad trips taught me a lot.

If people are sensible when taking acid and do it in the right environment then the chances of anything going seriously wrong is pretty low.

I wish physcadelics were legal as it would create a different culture and make a lot more peace between people.
Last edited by FistofLife; Jul 24, 2018 at 11:11 PM.
Originally Posted by psyn View Post
and what exactly did they teach you

You become more positive about life in general. Less selfpity, more caring about others.
Some have religious experiences, though I personally just get the love of the universe vibes.
Also, everything vibrates.

I think LSD should be legal for the age of 21+. You find it easily anyway and there is no point in prohibiting something that is that high in demand.
If I want to consume something who are you to stop me? ACAB 8/
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Originally Posted by psyn View Post
and what exactly did they teach you

Made me see all the good and bad things I do. Doesn't automatically make you a better person thou, it just makes you aware and it's up to you to change after taking the psychedelic
Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
You find it easily anyway and there is no point in prohibiting something that is that high in demand.

That's a stupid way of thinking. Cocaine has higher demand than any psychedelic (source) but you don't go legalize something just because a bunch of people want to do it.
Originally Posted by Redundant View Post
If I want to consume something who are you to stop me? ACAB 8/

Someone who cares for your health probably
Originally Posted by nikosefs View Post
for me its simple as this,legalization means regulation and with
regulation you have better control over the distribution,you take
the product away from the black market and make it safe to use,
just take examples from czech republic,spain and others where crime
related to drugs dropped off,also look at the taxes that america
withe the recent legalization of weed has generated,billions of
dollars that would otherwise be on the hands of drug cartels

That's untrue. By legalizing something you don't take it off the streets, all you're doing is running a controlled market that some may or may not chose to switch to. Black market is home to multi-million dollar businesses of weed in US, and in fact even as of now black market generates as much as $100 billion dollars annually from weed sales (source). That's because drugs on the streets will always be cheaper than in legal market, thus majority of people still chose to buy it illegally.

You talk about it as if it does no harm to your body and as if it only has positive effects, but you don't take into account all the long-term mental harm that it does, and legalizing it would obviously mean that way more people would take it regularly thus increasing chances of these long-term side effects.

All the legalization really does is give people more ways to obtain the drug, which results in increasing numbers of addiction and in turn slight benefits to the economy.

Originally Posted by FistofLife View Post
Made me see all the good and bad things I do. Doesn't automatically make you a better person thou, it just makes you aware and it's up to you to change after taking the psychedelic

You don't need drugs to become a better person. If this is the only way you can become aware of your rights and wrongs then it has to do more with your ignorance than anything.
I did quite a few drugs this weekend at float fest and by far acid was the best drug I have ever taken. I felt like I was awoke and seen the bigger picture. Everything made sense to me. Honestly everyone should try it at least once
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Acid is definitely a substance that should at least be decriminalized. When used responsibly, there are certainly many benefits to the psychedelic experience.
Originally Posted by Smaguris View Post
You don't need drugs to become a better person. If this is the only way you can become aware of your rights and wrongs then it has to do more with your ignorance than anything.

That was a pretty unnecessary dig, and shows your own ignorance of the topic. There's plenty things you can learn about yourself and the world around you from the altered perception that LSD offers. We all have flaws, some of which we may not be aware of. The thing about psychedelics is you get to see yourself in a different light, which can lead to new realizations like what Fistoflife was talking about
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Originally Posted by nikosefs View Post
i didn't talk about side effect of drug use when i said "safe to use",
more like in a sanitary way,you know how junkies pass their needles and such,but in a controlled environment with doctors its safer* to use


if something becomes legal and regulated,that means it has laws of who
is allowed to use it right? (let alone that we don't care about it),i'm sure
most of under 18 have tried alcohol or cigarettes even though its
illegal for their age to use them,but if their parents care about them
they could press charges against the man that sold it to them,
could they do the same if the man that sold it to them was a drug
lord or something?


don't correlate legalization with having more access to the drug,
if the law works it is the opposite and you would need special permits
to access them

I'm not really sure what you're talking about because it's definitely not how things work in the real world. The point that you brought up about pressing charges to the seller is an interesting one though. You actually can do that, the only difference is that you would have to do it anonymously to avoid any charges to your loved one or whatever.

The thing is, even when the legal drug market becomes completely regulated there will always be huge black market behind it, just like xans, weed, adderall and any other drug for that matter.

The thing you brought up about permits, well you need doctor prescription to get xanax and look what it has done. Now people are so desperate to get it that they will reside to fake ones just to get the high, knowing full well that their life might be at risk. You will see the same effect with any other drug legalization. If it's too easy to obtain it legally you will have massive numbers of addiction (Eg. alcohol, cigarettes), if it's too hard to obtain you will get a massive black market behind it.

Originally Posted by Rouxster View Post
Acid is definitely a substance that should at least be decriminalized. When used responsibly, there are certainly many benefits to the psychedelic experience.

That was a pretty unnecessary dig, and shows your own ignorance of the topic. There's plenty things you can learn about yourself and the world around you from the altered perception that LSD offers. We all have flaws, some of which we may not be aware of. The thing about psychedelics is you get to see yourself in a different light, which can lead to new realizations like what Fistoflife was talking about

I'll admit it was pretty unnecessary for me to say that, but my point was that there are other ways to get that perspective without drugs which could potentially lead you to addiction. Of course you might say "oh I took it few times and it was great, it helped me in life", but there is always that fraction that takes it once, then again, and again, until their life revolves around it, which is why it's not a good way to have your "lifetime experience".