Originally Posted by
nikosefs
geez,i never claimed it would magically fix everything
including world hunger,but i did point to you how countries
that have legalized drugs have dropped rates of use,including
Portugal,Czech republic and others.At least do some research dude.
As for you,you haven't pointed anything,you have cited nothing
for us to check your "facts",and then you say to others to stop using
their own personal experience,what have you done in this thread
besides stating your personal experience?
edit:
here's some sources,any country that has legalized drug use,sees
less drug related crimes,less drug related deaths and overall a drop
in numbers of users:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-10301780.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
https://news.vice.com/article/ungass...weed-to-heroin
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...cy-use-problem
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwb.../#2d60618c59eb
I cited hardly anything because everything I state are pretty much well known facts that don't require sources, but you've provided some, so let's go over them. My first thought is that you hardly went over these articles yourself, because some of them are actually going against what you're saying.
First of all, and this is very important, those countries
decriminalised drugs, not
legalise them. Albeit it presents some interesting statistics, it's definitely far from being legalised, which is why it doesn't really work for you as an argument. The way it works is if you get caught with a stash of weed or cocaine you will get fine and treatment recommendation instead of criminal record, however, it's still very much illegal.
That's the point though, if you were arguing for decriminalisation of the drug I'd be standing next to you on this, but matter of a fact is those are two different things that aren't that much similar.
Also as one of your sources state "while levels of drug use in Portugal appear to be relatively low, reported levels of cannabis use in the Czech Republic are among the highest in Europe." suggesting it probably depends more on the culture on how they handle the change.
The article about states that legalised weed having lower crime rates seem to talk about crime rates related to drug trades rather than crime in general. Still, good argument on your part and I can't disregard it, but it doesn't show any significant numbers.
Originally Posted by
Redundant
If you read my post carefully you will notice that I admit that there are dangers to LSD. Of course I am biased as I am argueing pro LSD. You are biased because you argue con LSD. Why do you even bring that up?
There are possible long term side effects. They are not the ones you mentioned, but there is a danger of course.
That is why I proposed an age restriction. Please don't say I am not aware of dangers when I voluntarily mention them in my very first post in this thread.
All drugs, legal or not, have potential harmful side effects.
There exist horror stories but I never actually met anyone who got permanently damaged, so I take those stories with a grain of salt.
As for raising dosages to counter tolerance: Nope. Doesn't work. Ask anyone who has been raving hard non stop on acid for 5 days straight. You simply stop trippin' until you recovered.
LSD does not cause addiction. I brought chocolate up as example because you claimed that mental addiction ist a good reason for prohibition. Read that post carefully because I would rather not repeat myself.
Of course I will use both my experience and my knowledge in the subject. I have studied the drug, talked to many people who used it and consumed it on several occasions.
I know how it gets produced, its history and how it affects your body and mind. I know the potential dangers and side effects. I know it is widely available to the point where it might as well be legal because it makes no difference. Drop me in any city in the world and I will find acid within a night.
So please explain to me why I would not use my experience in an arbitrary online ramble? That makes no sense.
As for blackmarkets: nikosefs admits that they are a problem. So you basically agree on that. Talking about them being a problem is beating a dead horse.
People will always use them, even for legal things.
The angle he comes from is not the fact that people use black markets but the fact that they are the only means of acquiring acid right now.
Admittedly the quality of black market LSD is very good, but the production procedure of LSD is incredibly dangerous. I mean VERY dangerous. If you ever become interested in making some: I warned ya.
Leave it to the licensed professionals. Shit, there are none.
I'm not that biased though. I'm here to bring up the facts that you seem to ignore, I don't make pointless comparisons and my arguments don't rely on opinionated statements.
You have a lot of experience and that's great, but relying on it for your arguments is not very informative. As an example you mentioned that "those are not side effects of acid" but I found many many sources that state those exact points. I'll link you some over here.
Btw the argument about production being dangerous is an interesting one, but I'd have to say that people who produce it are probably doing it willingly due to nice paycheck (in most cases anyways).
https://drugabuse.com/library/effects-acid-lsd/
https://www.drugs.com/illicit/lsd.html
https://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfa...ks-of-lsd.html