Originally Posted by Ele
You're refusing to change your position based on the available evidence because you're just so sure that you've always got the best answer. You've got some weird ideology where only you're right, and if anything actually happens to contradict what you think, then you skirt and deceive and do your best to grind the argument to a halt. It's not a healthy way of thinking, and it won't help you make any friends. I say this for your sake.
You realize that you are describing yourself?
Think about it.
It's not healthy.
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The position I've taken in this thread is that under Sharia women have less rights. For those who cbf researching Sharia, I posted a link that goes into the lack of rights that women have under it. There's a reason why my position isn't changing. It's because women actually do have less rights under Sharia. This isn't a contested point. Everybody recognises this. Everybody except Pig - because Pig's Pig.
I haven't responded to you much in this discussion because you're clearly on one side with your bias, and you're clearly either not mature enough to engage in a reasonable discussion, or you just lack the knowledge/capacity to understand what we're going on about. If you want to dance though, then fine. Tell me how the Cairo Declaration (that reaffirms Sharia law and its inherent gender inequality) doesn't restrict women's rights? Go on, tell me.
Rape still happens. The difference is under Sharia there are many, many, disincentives that dissuade women from reporting it (e.g. honor killing). Convicting a man of rape under Sharia is nigh impossible, requiring the corroboration of four male witnesses to ensure it isn't thrown out of court. @Pig, this is a great example of upstanding equality, isn't it?
I haven't responded to you much in this discussion because you're clearly on one side with your bias, and you're clearly either not mature enough to engage in a reasonable discussion, or you just lack the knowledge/capacity to understand what we're going on about. If you want to dance though, then fine. Tell me how the Cairo Declaration (that reaffirms Sharia law and its inherent gender inequality) doesn't restrict women's rights? Go on, tell me.
Originally Posted by IBlackleon
Womans show only your face=Dont make people horny like animals, stop rape, stop born of fatherless babies.
Rape still happens. The difference is under Sharia there are many, many, disincentives that dissuade women from reporting it (e.g. honor killing). Convicting a man of rape under Sharia is nigh impossible, requiring the corroboration of four male witnesses to ensure it isn't thrown out of court. @Pig, this is a great example of upstanding equality, isn't it?
Last edited by Ele; Jan 13, 2015 at 08:25 AM.
Judging on how you claimed women have no rights in Islam without evidence, I don't know how to take you seriously. I would link to those posts but it's a hassle when using mobile device. Just go 1 or 2 pages back and you will see how you quoted my response and edited out the parts that made you look ignorant.
Edit: it's on post#63
Anyways, I don't have a degree in sharia but I found an article. http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/understanding-shariah/
Another one: http://www.islamicity.com/articles/A...ef=RS1108-4817
You will see that it constantly mentions equality and promotes peace.
Your link doesn't work on my phone, apologies, I'll see it on the weekend.
Edit: it's on post#63
Anyways, I don't have a degree in sharia but I found an article. http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/understanding-shariah/
Another one: http://www.islamicity.com/articles/A...ef=RS1108-4817
You will see that it constantly mentions equality and promotes peace.
Your link doesn't work on my phone, apologies, I'll see it on the weekend.
Last edited by xlr84life; Jan 13, 2015 at 09:44 AM.
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Originally Posted by xlr84life
Anyways, I don't have a degree in sharia but I found an article. http://www.whyislam.org/faqs/understanding-shariah/
You will see that it constantly mentions equality and promotes peace.
Ignoring that you've decided that 'WhyIslam' is an unbiased source of information, you haven't answered my question.
I said, "Tell me how the Cairo Declaration (that reaffirms Sharia law and its inherent gender inequality) doesn't restrict women's rights?". So, tell me.
If you can't (as I suspect you can't (since Sharia does restrict womens rights)), then you'll just have to integrate this newfound knowledge in your outlook on Sharia. Whatever you do, don't just block it out of your mind and argue on anyways. We don't need another Pig.
edit:
You, and a few others here, also need to recognise that there's a difference between intent and result. You can make your arguments that Islam is great because the scripture says it is, but that flies in the face of reality - it doesn't reflect the current result of its intentions. Scripture can say that women are equal, but if women can't leave the house without permission, or seek employment without permission, then women aren't really equal, are they? There's a difference between what it tries to do and what it actually does.
I also want to counter this bit of ignorance;
Originally Posted by Augans
The women in most cases have chosen to be treated with "inequality" by themselves. It's their own religion and it's up to them whether they believe in a certain God and follow by his/her moral standards and religious laws.
Apostates (people that renounce their religion) under Sharia law can be punished with death.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM.
The unbiased site provides evidence. Just because you don't agree with it? It's not healthy thinking man.
" The CDHRI gives men and women the "right to marriage" regardless of their race, colour, or nationality,*but not religion
. In addition, women are given "equal human dignity", "own rights to enjoy", "duties to perform", "own civil entity", "financial independence", and the "right to retain her name and lineage",*but not equal rights in general"
I don't see where it restricts women rights.
Men and women are equal. With different rights. Why don't you argue on the part where men is responsible for spending on the family? And that women don't have to? At the end the hardships of both genders equal up. You just don't want to know about it.
Now, find me solid proof where Islam says women are less valued than man. You can't. We are both equally important.
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" The CDHRI gives men and women the "right to marriage" regardless of their race, colour, or nationality,*but not religion
. In addition, women are given "equal human dignity", "own rights to enjoy", "duties to perform", "own civil entity", "financial independence", and the "right to retain her name and lineage",*but not equal rights in general"
I don't see where it restricts women rights.
Men and women are equal. With different rights. Why don't you argue on the part where men is responsible for spending on the family? And that women don't have to? At the end the hardships of both genders equal up. You just don't want to know about it.
Now, find me solid proof where Islam says women are less valued than man. You can't. We are both equally important.
.*
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http://forum.toribash.com/showthread.php?t=423045
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