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Ranking Rewards
Ranks where reset today and here are some updates.

Ranking rewards:
#1 globally ranked player at 23.30 CET will receive 2000 TC * day of the month.

Example:
5th of August the reward is 10,000 TC (2,000 TC * 5).
31 of August the reward is 62,000 TC (2,000 TC * 31).

Total amount of TC payed out in August will be 992,000.

Tournament1 to Tournament15 are ranked servers with various mods.

Ranked Black belt servers:
/join ranked2 - Judofrac
/join ranked3 - Lenshu3ng
/join ranked4 - ABD
/join ranked5 - ErthTK
/join ranked6 - Greykido

The GMs and admins will and can experiment with the server setup during the month.

A handy ingame command that list the current top ranked players and their ELO:
/ranking global

View global ranking on the forum:
http://forum.toribash.com/tori_ranking.php?modname=

[Progress 4th Aug]
jack9918 and Zalf have both been on top for the first 4 days.

Zalf has played 116 games as #1
jack9918 has played 141 games as #1

We are keeping track for Elo ranges for future restrictions.
+-----------+---------+
| EloRange | Players |
+-----------+---------+
| 1570-1580 | 3 |
| 1580-1590 | 50 |
| 1590-1600 | 2190 |
| 1600-1610 | 889 |
| 1610-1620 | 54 |
| 1620-1630 | 20 |
| 1630-1640 | 16 |
| 1640-1650 | 8 |
| 1650-1660 | 1 |
| 1660-1670 | 1 |
| 1670+ | 2 |
Last edited by hampa; Aug 4, 2015 at 01:29 PM.
Originally Posted by hampa View Post
It is an online command only, so you need to be in a server to run it.
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Let's check why not. Do you have a username of a good player you think should have been in the top 3 list.


I can answer that.

Because 1 month rat races to farm low level players isn't a measurement of who is the best. In real e-sports, good players play good players, great players only play great players, and pro players only play pro players. I sure as hell cant play Magnus Carlsen in chess for a ranked game.

Matchmaking Hampa. Matchmaking, series, and time. Toribash is too fast for one match to decide a better player, too little for you to pool the best talent pool over only one month, and currently has no system to pair people of equal skill.

Make a matchmaking system, only allow people to play each other of similar ELO (like + or - 10 to 15), make them compete in a series of matches like best of 5, keep the competition RANDOM and among ONLY highly competitive mods, and make the season 6 months, not 1.

You'll see guys like:
FistofLife, Killer3366, Imapirate, TIcux, Mwah, Rai, Cold, iTemp, TIcux, Shockey, Shmevin, iRookie, Cowmeat, Moop, Moonshake, Diamond, and other extremely great well balanced players rise to the top. And ranks will mean something.


You're not the best player for beating some random 6th Dan who's never dueled, in your best mod, whenever you want. Just picking your opponent and picking your mod. You're the best player when you could get any of those guys listed, in not one particular mod, but instead ErthTk OR Judofrac OR lenshu3ng OR aikidobigdojo, and hang around a 3-2 score.

If you beat Killer3366 in a 3-1 in lenshu3ng, you deserve a lot more respect than going 45-3 against nobodies in judo.
Last edited by Bodhisattva; Aug 4, 2015 at 08:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by DrHax View Post
I can answer that.

Because 1 month rat races to farm low level players isn't a measurement of who is the best. In real e-sports, good players play good players, great players only play great players, and pro players only play pro players. I sure as hell cant play Magnus Carlsen in chess for a ranked game.

Matchmaking Hampa. Matchmaking, series, and time. Toribash is too fast for one match to decide a better player, too little for you to pool the best talent pool over only one month, and currently has no system to pair people of equal skill.

Make a matchmaking system, only allow people to play each other of similar ELO (like + or - 10 to 15), make them compete in a series of matches like best of 5, keep the competition RANDOM and among ONLY highly competitive mods, and make the season 6 months, not 1.

You'll see guys like:
FistofLife, Killer3366, Imapirate, TIcux, Mwah, Rai, Cold, iTemp, TIcux, Shockey, Shmevin, iRookie, Cowmeat, Moop, Moonshake, Diamond, and other extremely great well balanced players rise to the top. And ranks will mean something.

^ This.

It doesnt have to be matchmaking (even tho that would be optimal), even elo restricted servers are a step up. But as it currently stands, the elo system isnt viable unless you want to measure who plays the most. The public system is almost like clan ranks are atm, and you can see from CL how accurate they really were in the end. Again, this is improvement to the last system, but still far from optimal.

To me elo farming is fine, as long as in the end, there is a tournament that actually matters, and shows who is the best.
Last edited by cowmeat; Aug 4, 2015 at 08:47 PM.
Originally Posted by cowmeat View Post
rcarey fistoflife, tlcux, Orko, Mwah, Killer3366, Diamond to name a few
If you want more, I can name.
But I dont think naming great players that evryone know are good means anything or is an argument towards anything?

+ Irookie, Shmevin, Shockey, Snook, Inoobbruh, imapirtae, itemp(fukthisguythou).. etc list, i think interesting thing would be if hampa can name just 1 good player.

Originally Posted by hampa View Post
I'm tracking the average Qi ranked players win against.

If anyone figures out a way to only play against whitebelts it will show.

Hello Just go look at all the ranked lobbys, %90 of the players in there are terrible at the game. I played 1 day of this ranked mode and went like 26-4. Just so easy its dumb, not just for me but for almost all players with some level of understanding.
Last edited by FistofLife; Aug 4, 2015 at 08:54 PM.
Originally Posted by DrHax View Post

You're not the best player for beating some random 6th Dan who's never dueled, in your best mod, whenever you want. Just picking your opponent and picking your mod. You're the best player when you could get any of those guys listed, in not one particular mod, but instead ErthTk OR Judofrac OR lenshu3ng OR aikidobigdojo, and hang around a 3-2 score.

If you beat Killer3366 in a 3-1 in lenshu3ng, you deserve a lot more respect than going 45-3 against nobodies in judo.

This is the problem that needs to be adressed. By either matchmaking or elo restricted rooms.
Im something like 90W-19L in erthtkv2 right now. and around 5 of the losses were against Moop, its just a testament to how easy it is to farm.
Going something like 10-7 agaisnt moop, fist or any decent TK player is 10x more impressive than getting a 10-> streak in public lobbies.
Im not the only one who can farm like this, there's probably like 10 others who could but just don't. I just like seeing my name in #1, does it make me a better player? hell no.
Last edited by cowmeat; Aug 4, 2015 at 09:15 PM.
I think the rank system is perfectly fine imo
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Originally Posted by cowmeat View Post
This is the problem that needs to be adressed. By either matchmaking or elo restricted rooms.
Im something like 90W-19L in erthtkv2 right now. and 5-10 of the losses were against Moop, its just a testament to how easy it is to farm.
Going something like 10-7 agaisnt moop, fist or any decent TK player is 10x more impressive than getting a 10-> streak in public lobbies.

I think you overestimate how much ELO you get from beating beginners.

A 1680 player will only gain 0.36 ELO against a 1600, but those times you lose you go down 1.6. So to farm low elo players you need to maintain a 4/1 win ratio.

A smart player would seek out high level ELO players and beat them to both gain ELO faster and at the same time push down the other high ELO players.

Let's say someone manages to seek out weaker players the whole month and gain entry in the the final tournament. His skill won't be enough there anyways.
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Originally Posted by Zalf View Post
I think the rank system is perfectly fine imo

#1 is here
Last edited by hampa; Aug 4, 2015 at 09:34 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
Originally Posted by hampa View Post
I think you overestimate how much ELO you get from beating beginners.

A 1680 player will only gain 0.36 ELO against a 1600, but those times you lose you go down 1.6. So to farm low elo players you need to maintain a 4/1 win ratio.

A smart player would seek out high level ELO players and beat them to both gain ELO faster and at the same time push down the other high ELO players.

Let's say someone manages to seek out weaker players the whole month and gain entry in the the final tournament. His skill won't be enough there anyways.

Nobody who wants a high rank is going to play against me in my stronger mods. Im starting to feel like you know very little of your own game in its current state. I dont mean to be rude.
lol you guys are hilarous, what does hampa have to do if the players mentioned are barely active! most of the players you mention played a pretty low number of games.

the elo system is fine, it just needs time to balance itself out. That is noobs playing against good players..etc etc..

Maybe extending the season to two month would be good, but other than that..seems fine.
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Originally Posted by William View Post
lol you guys are hilarous, what does hampa have to do if the players mentioned are barely active! most of the players you mention played a pretty low number of games.

the elo system is fine, it just needs time to balance itself out. That is noobs playing against good players..etc etc..

Maybe extending the season to two month would be good, but other than that..seems fine.
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what the hell? be respectful man.

The problem is that nobody who is going for a good rank will play high skilled players in their own mods. I can get about 6:1 ratio in public erthtkv2 pretty easily, thus gaining elo steadily (been doing that for a while now). So why would I risk it by playing against someone like Moop (if i wanted only to climb elo)?
Originally Posted by William View Post
so get better at the other mods, and beat them in it. what's the problem here? god.

Well now, lets say i played 2k games greykido, poof now im good at greykido, then nobody is going to play me in that mod... That is not an solution.