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Torture
What techniques do you think are acceptable as a means for potentially getting crucial information out of suspects? Say, a captive is suspected to know the location of a huge terrorist base or whatnot. Or suicide bomber training facility.
Personally I accept torture as a necessary evil as long as we do not develop painless technique of extracting information, such as drug-induced hypnosis or some advanced brain scan or whatnot. I hope we do, soon.
Let's face it: if the criminal does not feel serious discomfort, he will not have any reason to part with the information. It's not pretty, and innocents may suffer, but what are you gonna do? The info can potentially save many civilian lives.
Last edited by Odlov; May 29, 2010 at 03:12 AM.
So you would rather physically torture people than peek into their private information?
Keep in mind that only people who are suspected to have crucial information would be subjected, eg captive terrorists.

I am all for privacy myself, but between inflicting suffering and taking a peek in someone's head, i think the latter is more humane and efficient.
Last edited by Odlov; May 29, 2010 at 04:20 AM.
What about that chemical that supposedly makes people far more likely to tell the truth?

Honestly, I don't think the U.S. or any other nation that claims to be "civil" should torture. Capture people, if they wont talk, press them as hard as you can, but dont make them think are about to die, or rape them, or humiliate them. There is nothing civil about that and if anything it just proves you intelligence agency to be shite.
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Originally Posted by deady View Post
What about that chemical that supposedly makes people far more likely to tell the truth?

Honestly i think it's more of a movie thing (but I'm no expert).
As far as i know, you can get a person intoxicated and impede their judgment, but that doesn't guarantee they will let the relevant info out.

Honestly, I don't think the U.S. or any other nation that claims to be "civil" should torture? Capture people, if they wont talk, press them as hard as you can

Appeal to their self-interest? Promise comfort and protection?
While that may work on some, it wouldn't work on fanatical brainwashed terrorists. Basically, what do you do if words fail?
Originally Posted by m0o View Post
This would rob people of their right to withhold information, however and as such would be a greater injustice than torture.

Says you.
What about people who are mistakenly suspected to hold crucial info, and are tortured as a result? They either have to lie (thereby wasting our resources and facing brutal consequences) or attempt to last through it.
Moreover, think of what brain scans could do for death row criminals. Absolute, inerrant way to determine the guilt of a suspect. No more innocents dying.
At the very least, undergoing the scan should be a voluntary option for captive.
Last edited by Odlov; May 29, 2010 at 05:27 PM.
Originally Posted by Odlov View Post
Basically, what do you do if words fail?

Well, ideally the country would move on, consider the prisoner a lost hope for getting info from and just keep them detained and maybe try them again every so often. You might not get the info out of them, but you also make good on all that schlock your PR folks tell everyone you care about, like justice, fairness, and being "better" than the average terrorist. It's a tad naive, I know :P and Im not totally against physichal coercsion, just not to the extent that the US was found to be using in Abu Grabe (probably spelled wrong)


Originally Posted by C0XY View Post
Okay I did it... What was it I did again, I forgot but Im sure I did it just dont hurt me.

How the fuck is that proof of anything? Its more likly to result in the person responcable being free to walk the streets.

That's a very good point. When does the line between trying to get info from a brainwashed person become simply re-brainwashing the person through pain and stress?

Originally Posted by m0o View Post
They cannot kill you during torture (assuming we are talking about the US). They'll give up eventually.

Sure, they can't sodomize you or water board you either. I'm sure they could, and have covered up a few dead folks. "Oh no, we accidentally this random terrorists whole life!" "throw him and in the ocean and be done with it" that sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by m0o View Post
Being the lesser of two evils does not make it any less "evil" ;)

Many problems don't have any peachy solutions. No matter how you choose to resolve the issue, you will be wronging somebody. In such cases it comes down to efficiency.
Originally Posted by Murmayder View Post
The availability of such a drug would result in huge amounts of abuse.

and saving of many innocent lives and resources.