Toribash
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Recent attack on Paris (Today 1/7/15)
For those of you unaware today, a satirical magazine company was a target of a shooting. Since I'm not really good at typing long paragraphs about murder, I'll just link a couple sites that outline the reason for the shooting and the aftermath.

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Please comment opinions, facts and etc, and please do not say anything autistic or otherwise detrimental to this thread or I will report you.
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^This is about one particular attack, so I'd say it's fine.

The West has a problem. All this multiculturalism allows well-trained ragheads like those yesterday to blend in with the local hajis and perform attacks like these. I'd say screw liberals, deport every arab back to where they came from. You can't defend yourselves against these extremists any other way effectively.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jan 8, 2015 at 08:07 AM.
Yes, I know that most Arabs probably aren't like that. But we are at war with ISIS, and it really isn't the time to play nice with these people, be they affiliated with ISIS or not. If no official action is taken, sooner or later Arabs are going to hang from lampposts all over Europe.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
Deport every arab back to where they came from... Yes, I know that most Arabs probably aren't like that. But we are at war with ISIS, and it really isn't the time to play nice with these people, be they affiliated with ISIS or not.

Imagine a few Toribash players kill a bunch of people. Now, because you play Toribash, you're going to jail, regardless of if you're involved or not. See how fucking retarded your idea to deport every arab is?
Never said that we should imprison them. Take away their passports and send them home. That's what deport means.

If you did catch my meaning, it's not retarded. Imagine two nation-states at war with each other. You can tell who is from country A and who is from country B. Every single person from country B living in country A are going to be either deported, imprisoned, or shot, not because 'A' is full of evil assholes, but because they are at fucking war and that's not the time to play nice.

If you still say it's retarded, bring up a better alternative. Enduring and letting innocent people die isn't an option. If this happened at the part of Europe I'm from, I'd be out on the streets demanding military and police action. I'd not be alone.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jan 8, 2015 at 11:12 AM.
It doesn't matter what the punishment is, what matter is you're being punished regardless of if you're involved or not.

I can't think of a better way to increase tension, inspire more radicals and completely fuck up relations with the East, than persecuting ALL arabs.

edit: to answer your edit, we aren't at war with arabs (an ethnicity, not country). We're at war with ISIS. You proposing to deport an entire ethnicity because a very small percentage are radicals. It's plain retarded.

As for an alternate solution for peace in the Middle East, I've given one in the other threads on the topic. We need to end oil dependency and develop new energy sources. Our involvement in the East is why we're at war with ISIS and our involvment in the East is predicated on ensuring the oil keeps flowing. The US interventionist foreign policy model got us into this situation. We need to revert to a more isolationist approach.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 8, 2015 at 11:23 AM.
Originally Posted by Ele View Post
It doesn't matter what the punishment is, what matter is you're being punished regardless of if you're involved or not.

I can't think of a better way to increase tension, inspire more radicals and completely fuck up relations with the East, than persecuting ALL arabs.

So should we just clench our butt cheeks and take it?

http://index.hu/kulfold/2015/01/07/i...ort_parizsban/

Watch that fucking video and think again. This cries for blood.

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To answer your edit:

The situation now boils down to "they are shooting at us and we are turning the other cheek". Long-term solutions like the one you mentioned are important, but there's also the question of self-defense against aggression, and also what image we are trying to project for would-be jihadists. Currently we (Europe) are the strong kid on the playground everyone dares to pick on because he doesn't dare to retaliate.
Last edited by ynvaser; Jan 8, 2015 at 11:28 AM.
Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
So should we just clench our butt cheeks and take it?

No. But what you don't do is try your hardest to fuck up the situation even more, which is what your 'solution' would do.

Originally Posted by ynvaser View Post
The situation now boils down to "they are shooting at us and we are turning the other cheek". Long-term solutions like the one you mentioned are important, but there's also the question of self-defense against aggression, and also what image we are trying to project for would-be jihadists. Currently we (Europe) are the strong kid on the playground everyone dares to pick on because he doesn't dare to retaliate.

We make stupid decisions that aren't really thought through when people like you demand an immediate reaction (e.g. the Patriot Act). Something terrible happens and we're so shook by it, we're temporarily insane - we're willing to do things we wouldn't rationally do if we weren't so shaken.

There is no, short term, magic pill that will make things right. Any actions we take should work at targeting the causes for terrorism, rather than tackling the symptons of it. That means developing a long term plan. Any actions we take should be in accordance with that plan as opposed to being knee-jerk and made with 'heat of the moment'-type thinking.
Last edited by Ele; Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM.
ynvaser, be respectful or you will regret it. Just a heads up.

The truth about the whole situation is that terrorists never win, even if their attacks succeed. What they did was create a lot of hatred and tension that now works against their own ideology.
Only if people get confused enough to limit their own freedom of expression the terrorists won.


If you want to live in a peaceful world, be peaceful yourself. Create your own codex and live by it. Be an example, not an asshole.


Also, if this turns out as a flame war against Islam people will get banned.
Islam is a religion, not an ideology. There are many ideologies that work with Islam. Many of them are rather peaceful.
If Islam is a good and productive thing is another question that can be discussed in another thread.
Last edited by Redundant; Jan 8, 2015 at 03:10 PM.