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Denying gay marriage
So there was this girl from Kentucky that denied a Gay Marriage ,that is now legal, and she says that she was doing it for religious purposes.
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Denying gay marriage is just savage. people just don't wan't it because of religion purposes, but if you like to be gay and marry another guy it's legal. It does nothing to the people who only is around of those 2 guys.

So Denying gay marriage is not good.
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Originally Posted by Gunkman04 View Post
Denying gay marriage because it goes against your religion is like stopping people eating pizza because you are on a diet. It's selfish and rude, nowhere in the bible (or any other holy book i can think of) does it say "Thou shalt stop other people from being gay" it just says that YOU and you alone (the person reading) should not be gay. So follow that command and be at peace with the rest of the world.

If a devout Christian issues a marriage license to a same sex couple, the consequences are far beyond that of "interfering with someone's diet." To someone who does not understand or follow that person's religious beliefs, it may seem like a petty thing to do, but to them there are severe moral, social, and religious conflicts and repercussions.

The issue lies within the United State's current business laws. You're allowed to refuse service if it would hinder your ability to provide service or negatively effect your business, but you are not allowed to deny service based on the characteristics of the possible customers.

I personally believe that any business owner should have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason. Sure they will lose a sale, and possibly other sales because of their choice, but that should be the only punishment they receive as a result.
Last edited by Shmevin; Sep 17, 2015 at 08:55 AM.
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Originally Posted by Shmevin View Post
I personally believe that any business owner should have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason. Sure they will lose a sale, and possibly other sales because of their choice, but that should be the only punishment they receive as a result.

"These damn niggers and fags ain't buying none of my shit. Ill just tell those dirty queers and coons to get the fuck out of my store. AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE!"

Seriously, you want to give legal rights for someone to discriminate others? I understand where you're coming from sure. But just take a step back and put yourself in a black/gay/trans etcetc. persons shoes for a second. Imagine having to be afraid of going to a fucking grocery store, because the owner might randomly just tell you to go fuck yourself because of the color of your skin, sexual identity or any other "random" factor. Laws are not only to punish criminals, they are also to protect people, and ethnic/sexual minorities need most protection in the current world we live in.

I agree to that idea IN THEORY, but since we live in such a messed up world with bigoted and horrible people. Sometimes you have to set theory aside for the greater good of people.
Last edited by cowmeat; Sep 17, 2015 at 09:21 AM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
People are not machines, they have the right to deny service at their discretion - you are literally saying that X group of people should have the right to overrule the rights of Y group of people. Take a step back and put yourself in the shoes of the victims of these situations.

"Cant tell a black guy to go to another store because I'm racist.
I'm such a victim"

Discriminating others is not a right........
I think being equally treated in the economy is a right tho.

I don't know how old you are (if you've ever had to work), but in the real world, especially work life. You have some dos and donts that are out of your control. Your work/goverment provides you with certain things (healthcare, money, protection etcetc.) and you agree to act in a way that is befeficial for the society/employer. And one of those things is not being a bigoted cunt. What if the police, doctor or a drugstore clerk could go "Im not protecting/selling meds to that nigger, let him get killed." The issue is basically the same in principle.
Last edited by cowmeat; Sep 17, 2015 at 09:41 AM.
Originally Posted by ImmortalPig View Post
But forcing someone out of their job is?

That's some very creative morality you have there.

No, it's not.

Tell me how many people have died from not getting their wedding cake or wedding license, and if it's even remotely comparable to the number of people that would die of police or doctors or drugstores refused service then I'll concede your point.

I literally am not going to respond to you after this, you clearly don't understand the world you live in. Or... you live in a weird, oh so weird bubble.

"But forcing someone out of their job is?"

Yeah, if you do something that is illegal or immoral, lets say you work at a daycare center but you are a nudist, they can go "don't be naked". Its not a right to be naked around children even if you have some beliefs such as "clothes are evil". They can force you to wear clothes or get fired (or in the other case give marriage licenses to gays).

"Tell me how many people have died from not getting their wedding cake or wedding license,"

So racism is fine as long as nobody dies......
Everyone should try to prevent needless suffering.
Suffering is being afraid to go shopping because of the color of your skin or sexual identity.
Suffering is NOT: not being allowed to call black people niggers and refuse to sell shit to them.

"tell me how many people died when niggers had separate water fountains and couldnt vote? NOBODY DIED BECAUSE AMERICA!"
Last edited by cowmeat; Sep 17, 2015 at 09:52 AM.
Originally Posted by Shmevin View Post
If a devout Christian issues a marriage license to a same sex couple, the consequences are far beyond that of "interfering with someone's diet." To someone who does not understand or follow that person's religious beliefs, it may seem like a petty thing to do, but to them there are severe moral, social, and religious conflicts and repercussions.

The issue lies within the United State's current business laws. You're allowed to refuse service if it would hinder your ability to provide service or negatively effect your business, but you are not allowed to deny service based on the characteristics of the possible customers.

I personally believe that any business owner should have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason. Sure they will lose a sale, and possibly other sales because of their choice, but that should be the only punishment they receive as a result.


She worked for the government, she also stopped her employees from conducting gay marriages too. That is not okay whatever the fuck you believe in. She broke the law and should be punished, she did not work for a private company. She defied the Supreme Court.

Marriage stopped being religious once it was separated from the church and brought into state, with tax benefits on top of that.
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Denying someone's right to discriminate is not discrimination.

If someone is yelling about how much they hate gays telling them to shut up is not discrimination.
Last edited by lillian; Sep 17, 2015 at 04:22 PM. Reason: <24 hour edit/bump
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She broke a law, how is she not in the wrong?
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Marriage shouldn't be a right, it sounds more like a privilege.

Also fools that want to get married, thinking the world is going to change with your prenups and documented love, hahaha.

If you aren't religious I seriously think you shouldn't even be thinking of getting married.

Can someone explain why Marriage is THE thing, that HAS to happen?
she got arrested because she broke the law. im not fully sure on american law however i know recently america finally got marriage equality, if you dont agree with this then its fine but whats not fine is denying a 'government' service that is open to everyone because you have the 'power' to do so.
she wasnt arrested for being christian, she was arrested for using Christianity as an excuse to deny service to someone and generally be a tosser.

to say shes a strict christian shes had about 3 husbands which im not really caught up on this but im guessing this is also frowned upon
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