yesterday i was watching gramof0ns replay stream and in the chat some people started mentioning how people who are starting replays these days are able to improve and learn much faster than people who started replays say 5 years ago

this is easy to explain, new replaymakers look at experienced replaymakers and try to do what they are doing, which means that they immediately "adopt" the knowledge that the experienced replaymakers acquired over their career. this is fascinating and impressive, because now we have relative newcomers who are light years ahead of people who have played for years

so should the new generation glorify the previous one so hard? i mean i dont mind expanding my edong everytime i join a room but there are guys who are just 5* better than me and still improving, they are more likely to become the next Nuthug or smth than for example me, since im already so burned out and the only replays i make anymore are for fun and not with the intention of reinventing replaymaking.

plus, maybe if the new gen looks up to the previous one so much wouldnt it sorta make it more difficult for them to realise how good they could become? for example, they can now easily reach the quality of their idol and surpass him immensely, but if they still hold their idol in such high regard they might mistakenly reach the conclusion that they are at their peak or smth. maybe this is obvious and you might be thinking that this isnt a problem because you believe that people in general like to push boundaries, but these kinds of people are exactly the legendary replaymakers who everyone remembers for the pioneers they were, so maybe it is not as obvious as one would think

new people is where its at

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ps this is unrelated to larfen getting legend, i love larfen and he is my great friend and i am glad he is legend

I only started replay making about 2 years ago maybe less and I always had inspirations but my over all idol was largekilla. And for so long I always wanted to be able to do all those cool flips and spins like he did so once I was able to do them I sorta stopped improving. Then I just started making replays for fun and I ended up slowly improving after I stopped trying to imulate largekilla's style. And here I am today still improving.

So yes I think you are right pusga. If you have an idol you might think you've reached your peak when you might've only scratched the surface.

i personally think trying to copy your idol all the time will just break you down.well that will help at the begin but with time you will have a lock of creativity and style coz you cant completely copy someone else.so looking at people beside you will be better coz you will see new things you never expected to see and that will motivate you to get better and be more unique...ect
so dont look behind look beside and upward you or stay suck :l

oh yeah another thing i forgot, perhaps this happens because the previous gen got too involved in teaching the new one? i mean there hadn't been nearly as many tutorials, streams, and people available to help new replaymakers before. i guess in a way if you lay out everything you have learned for everyone else to read and absorb, they lose the ability to learn by playing the game, therefore leading them to a point where they cannot learn more than we can teach. just thoughts, i didnt really think this thread through

oblivion is my idol and i'll never be as good as him </3
i agree that new generations will look at past ones and want to be alike. but, like in all things there'll be a limit, and considering not too much has changed, (like gravity standards), i think we're close to the limit of groundbreaking replays. unless of course someone thinks out of the box, which quite honestly im not seeing anymore, new generations will eventually reach the greatest they think they can be, lose interest, and become inactive. not mentioning any names of course. swexx, largekilla, pulse.

you can visibly see this in older replay makers to the new ones. older replaymakers have the same style they had when in their prime. they were more flamboyant due to replaymakers like chezda in the ol days. nowadays the hype is realism from swexx and largekilla, (which has lived on for a long time).

there is a tiny trend of hacking but not too many people do it. mainly because no one teaches anymore.

i think we should start teaching again, and have a new trend or something.

We do glorify the "legends" and "big names" a little too much. Hell, I'm guilty as charged. I do also agree that over idolizing someone will lead to you focusing on trying to be like them, rather than just trying to become one of said ground-breaking replay makers.

It also doesn't help to just quit when you reach your peak, keep going! If you liked it so much to get to that point then why stop? Just change the game once again, create a new style, teach others, make it to where instead of just saying "yeah, that guy's amazing" they'll say "that guy is a god"... It's not good to just give up on something you love. What would you think if Michael Jordan (the greatest basketball player of all time) just gave up once he knew he was the best?

It also doesn't help to give up if you think you will never get to that point. That happens with me, then I found someone to teach me (Bands). From that point on I didn't give up and do I come across as someone who looks like he did in his first few weeks of toribash? Didn't think so. Never quit.

hello hi i'm one of the overglorified legends

:v

Self-esteem problems besides, i'm pretty sure that most of ORMO is better than i am right now, objectively. Hell, if i applied today as an alt, i'd probably be rejected, rudely. BUT THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. Progress is goot, and frankly i'm waaaaaaaaaaay past caring about making progress in Toribash any more, since i've achieved everything that i originally set out for, and then some. Therefore, FRESH MEAT making progress is great, now that the old farts aren't.

i'd love this, yes please

wanted to pick up replay hacking for a while but not sure who to talk to, that and my poor management of time and what i want to do with it makes a mess of things

also i think there's nothing wrong with glorifying those from the past who indirectly (or, sometimes, directly) encouraged you to get better. replay makers like nuthug, pusga, larfen, swexx, largittykilly, pulse, and oracle (but fuck, it doesn't end there) are all huge influences on how i make my replays

i just don't think the right kind of glorifying goes on, the progressive kind. stuck in the past rather than seeing it as a foundation for something better; stuck on wanting to become albert einstein rather than surpass him.

of course i ain't surpassin' shit tho, cause i'm lazy as fuck and performing cognitive thought within' a swift succession is somethin' i ain't that good at yet

Tsuion, Marrez, you guys should go poke NutHug about that hacking thing

seems like the type of guy to not respond, but i'll give it a go either way